Tips for SCH? :)

[Sabeta]

Some things I want to contribute to here.

First, I would like to address ZadocFish

Scholar actually has the lowest skill floor for a Healer. When I say skill floor, I mean that you have the easiest time keeping people alive. That goes doubly true for 4-man dungeons, as Eos' stats are often-times enough to completely solo-heal the dungeon. Do not be intimidated by the idea of having to micro-manage her, as her Embrace spam will help make up the difference until you've gotten better at managing her. This all being said, Scholar also has the highest skill-ceiling at the same time. That is to say, because Scholar finds healing so naturally easy, it follows that there is also a lot more that a Scholar can do with their "free-time" to stand above and beyond other healers. It takes zero skill as a Scholar to keep people alive in a dungeon. It takes quite a lot to make use of every resource and contribute nearly as much DPS as a Summoner. I personally often parse higher than other DPS in Dungeons (although that may say more about DF and less about my personal skill level)

Now then, for other things.

Stoneskin is useless on a Scholar. There are literally 0 situations where I would want it over Blizzard II, and yes that holds true for situations where I don't even use Blizzard II. Blizzard II was 100% mandatory for my group to clear A2S during Progression, and is a massive DPS gain in most Dungeons. Anytime there are four or more Mobs to fight, Blizzard II is superior to Broil. Just think though, that once upon a time it only took two enemies to make Blizzard II viable. Blizzard will always be a staple Scholar skill in the same way Aero is (unless we get a 210+ Potency spell next expansion. We can call it Broil II). At any time that I would ever want shielding on anyone, one of the two following situations will always be true. A) Adlo is enough, or B) The WHM/AST already did it.

About Succor. People are seriously overvaluing the detriment of overhealing. Succor was critical in surviving A1S during progression. It did not matter if the group was at full health or not, you applied AoE Galvanize or you risked everyone dying. Medica II would also be applied and after that you would not burn another GCD repairing health, as Medica II would bring them up to full before the next big hit. Overhealing matters quite a lot more for WHM or Diurnal AST because it every point of overhealed health is 100% waste. For a Scholar or Noct (lol) AST, overhealing is not a bad thing. The end result is that you raised someone's effective HP higher than their maximum and can thus more reliably survive whatever comes next. Mathmatically there isn't much difference either or, but the "live" result is often life or death for your DPS.

Lastly, listen to JackFross. They seem to know what they're talking about, and is probably better than me. I'm speaking from 2.1 experience up until 3.0 as a progression Scholar. Unfortunately I had to unsub from the game in the middle of Gordias A3S. Same thing happened during Final Coil, but I heard that one was super easy anyway. Oh well, work and life come first. That being said, some of my information may be a bit dated, but should hold up.

One more thing. Literally nobody cares if you participate in dungeons as a Scholar. If you do, you're trying way to hard. The place to tryhard is Raid. Dungeons are for relaxing after raid and goofing off. Eos on Sic will blow all of her cooldowns and keep the tank alive through most pulls, even some of the big ones if you help out with Rouse. I for one tend to /Follow the Tank and then watch youtube or whatever.

[Nekotee]

I'm confused

Sabeta's post is quite good
I mean at first i was like "oh ! A good lala..."
Then you read the very last part and you go "...is a boiled lala !"

So much good point ruin by the worst advice ever of LAZY healer !

[Sabeta]

There's no reason to try hard in dungeons. Telling people that they HAVE to go 100% in dungeon runs is a quick way to scare them away from Scholar, like you almost did to ZadocFish. Dungeons are the opportunity to learn your class, make mistakes, and experiment with new things in a live situation. I've recently re-optimized my hotbars in order to make controlling Eos in CS easier, for example. While I was working the kinks out of it I went as hard as I could in the dungeons, properly keeping up my cooldowns, micro-managing the fairy, and contributing significantly to group DPS.

But if I didn't? Nothing would have really changed. The dungeon would have taken maybe two minutes longer to complete. End of story.
So I'm sorry if my 50th trip through Antitower is a "lazy", but to be quite frank I just don't care.

Like I said, a well-geared Scholar doesn't need to contribute ANYTHING to clear dungeons. Eos is enough, and sometimes so is Selene.
My point here is that it's your choice to DPS in dungeons. Most tanks I run into don't use cooldowns. Most DPS I run into don't know their AoE rotation. Why should I be forced to try 10x harder than everyone else because some guy called me a "boiled lala"
Raid is the only place where I would suggest that you ABSOLUTELY MUST DPS. Anything easier than that and it's optional. Lately however, I have been giving dungeons my 100% because I'm trying to rebuild my skills after a long hiatus. Keep in mind that for quite a long time Scholar's DPS was regarded as a "neat little bonus". My DPS contributions were the difference between 1 bee or 2 in T6, but certainly not the end-of-the-world if I didn't participate. As such, I never really mastered my rotation, I just sort of applied DoTs and then sort of forgot about them afterwards when I went back to healing. It is an extremely recent trend that people have started to care about just how much DPS you're able to parse, and so I've been giving it my all to finally learn my rotation and push myself to the limit.

Once I'm there though I'll probably start slacking off again. At the very least late in the week when I'm tired of roulettes.

[Gemina]

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Just out of curiosity, if you don't care, why go? I haven't even got close to touching the content many of you have been in since the expansion. So posts like yours raise questions for me. You're definitely not the first SCH to make such statements, and almost seem disappointed by how powerful fairy heals are. You definitely sound knowledgeable and possess the skill, and your OP spoke very strongly towards arguments I was making earlier about the importance of casting galvanize to shield before dmg comes.

I do know that thus far in all the 4-man content I've done, I've pretty much breezed my way through them as SCH, but I've usually just gave that credit to the synced players who have dominated those dungeons a kagillion times. Because for some reason, my WHM consistently queues up with derps, while my SCH gets the HP inflated tanks and mechanic wary DPS. In any case, I want to contribute as much as I can even if it only shaves off five minutes from the entire instance, and if I no longer found enjoyment, I just wouldn't play the job anymore. But that is me. Perhaps the new patch will bring back some that excitement you likely experienced during your first time through.

...Telling people that they HAVE to go 100% in dungeon runs is a quick way to scare them away from Scholar, like you almost did to ZadocFish.

Agreed. I had to tell my FC this when some of them started throwing all of the 50+ content my way like immediately after OP Archon. That whole 'dungeon runs are like sex' thing I've seen tossed about is totally true, and I don't give it up easy! lol

[Nekotee]

I didn't said that you have to push hard in 4man content
No it's not mandatory

But as the novice mentor said once there is no damage throw some DPS to help the team

If you follow someone and let the fairy heal
Why would à tank bother use CD ? why would DPS get out of aoe ?

Don't push but do a minimum
It's like whm that spam cure in dungeon it's like useless and mp wasted
With some micro illusion of healing

Like in the current Amdapor hard
You don't want to DPS fine, but on the first boss deal with the tether interception them and let the DPS do their jobit's à help and cost you nothing
On second boss deal with elemental bomb
On final boss protect them

There is many thing that à healer can do to help the team without compromising the healing job

Be a helpful healer, not a slacking one !
Nothing more insulting in a group to see a LAZY one when you're doing your part of the job (in DPS or tank)
If you go on duty, it's a synergy of 4 person

[Zadocfish]

Isn't Cure 1 the most magic-efficient healing spell WHM have?

[Gemina]

Isn't Cure 1 the most magic-efficient healing spell WHM have?

Nope. Regen

[Nekotee]

In case of intensive healing yes
Fast cheap efficient and possible free proc
Hell yes it is good

In time to time healing
Cure II is better since you cast it one time with regen and go back doing something else (mechanics or DPS)
Since my whm has more or less 1050 crit
I do often cure II crit which heal for 10500 hp minimum (and reach 13k depending on the buff)

Why would i bother healing again when one heal top any tank

...

Bit yes otherwise cure I is the best healing tool
Especially on lower level

[Sabeta]

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Gotta get my weekly caps done somehow. Anyway, At the start of Heavenward Eos/Selene were bugged so that they didn't receive your gear bonuses properly. Even then she could solo-heal Fractal and Neverreap with a decent ilvl. It's not so much that I'm disappointed in her power, but more about the fact that dungeons in general aren't challenging. WHM should be able to achieve similar results by dropping Clerics to lay Regen.

@Nekotee: in what world do your Tanks and DPS actually use Cooldown or Rotations? I consistently outparse damage dealers when I actually put in effort. If everyone else isn't putting in effort then neither will I.

Also, Regen is 1050 Potency and costs less then Cure I iirc. That's the most efficient heal White Mage's have. Eos is just slightly weaker than that (only because Eos can't be applied to more than one target at a time) but is free and spammable while in Clerics.

[Zadocfish]

I have a question about the Fairy. Will she still cast Embrace on players below 80% on obey, or do you have to command her to heal at any time Obey is on?