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    Raikki's Avatar
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    Raikki Zero
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    Finding these bots is too easy for it to be a matter of needing more help from the playerbase to find them. There's simply no financial incentive for SE to pursue an aggressive strategy against them.
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    Morzone Vandalfo
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    Player Moderators. This is what Jagex called them in RuneScape. Jagex even eventually offered some of them jobs..

    P-Mods would basically be players looking to help the community, a step up from the Mentor system, a bit step at that.

    On RuneScape, P-Mods could mute players, taking away all forms of communication to other players. I don't see why this "muting" can't be done here, expecially if its so painfully obvious that this player I'm looking at is a bot spamming other people. Additionally they could ban, and the ban would be investigated by Jagex-Mods, in this case it would be GM's.
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    Morzone Vandalfo on Siren
    Main job: SCH/MNK
    Raid job: Gathering
    PS5 based. PSN ID: natek_morzy

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    Aranie Crowley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    Player Moderators. This is what Jagex called them in RuneScape. Jagex even eventually offered some of them jobs..

    P-Mods would basically be players looking to help the community, a step up from the Mentor system, a bit step at that.

    On RuneScape, P-Mods could mute players, taking away all forms of communication to other players. I don't see why this "muting" can't be done here, expecially if its so painfully obvious that this player I'm looking at is a bot spamming other people. Additionally they could ban, and the ban would be investigated by Jagex-Mods, in this case it would be GM's.
    Because it will be used by players only to troll others....All the players are not db but unfortunatly you can't take the risk to have some of them ruining other's experience just for "fun" :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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    Lineage Razor
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    Well, for starters, it's unlikely that SE much cares about the troupes of THM/ARC parading around. These bots are the smallest of the small fry; they can be recreated in seconds, so banning them is like spitting up a waterfall. It's MUCH more effective to ban these bots after days or weeks of work has been put into leveling and equipping them. Not sure what is meant by "strengthening the areas"; bots interact with the game in the same manner that players do. It is pretty much impossible to tell whether a command originates from a player or from a computer - because player commands also originate from computers.

    Additionally, they are low priority because the only folks they bother are the folks who can't stand that RMT and bots exist in any form. For everyone else, they barely are even aware that they exist. The only times you're likely to even see them are at low levels while they grind mobs until they're high enough to enter dungeons. They don't monopolize any resources that are desired by players. They don't speak or interact with players in any way. Stamping them out is pretty much impossible, so SE leaves them alone until they get to the point where banning them actually has some sting.

    Tellbots and shoutbots are another story; SE jumps on them pretty quickly. It's extraordinarily rare that you'll see a tellbot last even as long as a full day. Unfortunately, doing so is just as pointless as taking out the leveling bots: they can be and are replaced in seconds. Nevertheless, SE eliminates them as fast as possible in order to appease players who don't understand how impossible a task it is to stop them entirely. (There are whole forum threads full of hilariously bad player suggestions as to how they could actually be stopped: Ban all Chinese IPs! Stop all player communication until you ding level 50! Autoban any player who sends a tell to more than five different people in a minute! Those are some of the worst I've seen, but I could go on...)

    SE's primary targets are ones that are less visible to players; the ones that store and distribute gil. These are the ones primarily involved in the actual business of selling gil to players, and these are the ones that hurt RMT most when they get banned. Finding these is another reason why SE tolerates leveling bots: by tracking where the leveling bots send their gil, SE can figure out which bots are storing that gil. A properly aimed ban can cost RMT billions of gil, something that stings far worse than cleaning up a pack of THMs and ARCs would.
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    Muhau Nbolo
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    Look man. We don't need an RMT task force. All we need is the following:

    -> Me
    -> A dragon
    -> A jail cell

    Anyone who read GM Dave knows the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    Look man. We don't need an RMT task force. All we need is the following:

    -> Me
    -> A dragon
    -> A jail cell

    Anyone who read GM Dave knows the rest.
    I much prefered GM Steve back then.
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    Player Eidolon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    I much prefered GM Steve back then.
    Forget that, everything can be answered with a dragon.
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    X'lantaa Lizhashen
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    I don't think give players such kind of power is not good idea. You know how the community is. They can just report a innocent player.
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    Last edited by Xlantaa; 05-13-2016 at 05:26 AM.

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    Morzone Vandalfo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    Because it will be used by players only to troll others....All the players are not db but unfortunatly you can't take the risk to have some of them ruining other's experience just for "fun" :/
    R u saying ud rather not try because the risk is great? Of course it would be risky, but not everything good comes without risk and there will always be those that abuse features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    R u saying ud rather not try because the risk is great? Of course it would be risky, but not everything good comes without risk and there will always be those that abuse features.
    I'm saying that the community on this game is not the....well the "nicest" (does this word exists ? oO) in the world not to use any other unpleasant word so you can be sure that, within a week, hundreds of innocent players will be "punished" by trolls so yes, i'd rather not take the risk of giving them such powers :/

    Quote Originally Posted by Culfinrandir View Post
    Depends on the powers given. Early multiplayer world's, like WorldsAway & Pride! Universe had players with elevated access to help out & there were no problems whatsoever. I'm not saying that such players have ban access & stuff but if a RMT report comes from enough of the "trusted" players the spammer should be instantly suspended. At the moment it can take a LONG time for persistent RMT or bots to vanish. Sensible, trained & reliable players will only act where they see an obvious problem (20 THM hiding in Mun Tuy with random names, for example). Of course they would suffer sanctions & loss of privilege if they abuse it - just like how Mentors work now.
    Times have changed and so did players.
    Back then, MMo were not that popular therefore, player base was smaller and ppl used to play together from a game to another so they were more respectfull.
    Plus, how do you decide wich player can be "trusted" ?
    Like the mentor system wich allow speedruner and rude person to become mentor just by farming dungeons as tank (you always get the votes as tank) and jobs ? (did some dung with mentor actually being rude toward new players and kicking them....)
    I think the easiest way to get rid of them is to give us the ability to just report as a bot via a right click instead of the actual system ^^"
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    Last edited by Celef; 05-13-2016 at 07:37 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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