30 Minute Lockout for Leaving Roulette's isn't Working as Intended.

[Morzy]

It doesn't punish players enough to make them not leave roulette choices they don't like. People are sick of queuing for roulettes just to have someone leave right away. And I understand things come up in real life suddenly and leaving is unavoidable.

Personally 30 minutes is nothing. I could go gather for 30 minutes, it wouldn't be a very big penalty for me.

Could you change the penalty to, say..

"Cannot enter a roulette for 3 hours."

OR even make their future roulette bonus for that specific roulette be cut in half? idk

[LineageRazor]

Could you change the penalty to, say..

"Cannot enter a roulette for 3 hours."

I've long felt that the appropriate penalty should be that you're locked out for the remaining duration of the instance. If you leave 5 minutes into an instance with a 60 minute duration, you're locked out for 55 minutes. If you leave 20 minutes into a 90 minute duration, you're locked out for 70 minutes. By using the Roulette tool, you've pledged your time in exchange for Tomestones. Make sure that the time pledged is paid, regardless of whether you choose to stay or go.

People leave an instance early because they believe that they're saving time; they believe the instance will take longer than 30 minutes to finish, and so by booking it right away, the 30 minute penalty is still better than what they'd have to deal with otherwise. Make it so the penalty does NOT save them time.

It's not a perfect solution, of course. As you noted, there's activities that don't depend on the duty finder, and being limited to those may still be more appealing than sticking with a (supposedly) doomed run, but I definitely think it would help discourage nonsense like folks instantly dropping a Steps of Faith (now EASILY winnable, even with a spectacularly derpy group, but may still take some time to finish).

[Morzy]

I've long felt that the appropriate penalty should be that you're locked out for the remaining duration of the instance. If you leave 5 minutes into an instance with a 60 minute duration, you're locked out for 55 minutes. If you leave 20 minutes into a 90 minute duration, you're locked out for 70 minutes. By using the Roulette tool, you've pledged your time in exchange for Tomestones. Make sure that the time pledged is paid, regardless of whether you choose to stay or go.

It's not a perfect solution, of course. As you noted, there's activities that don't depend on the duty finder, and being limited to those may still be more appealing than sticking with a (supposedly) doomed run, but I definitely think it would help discourage nonsense like folks instantly dropping a Steps of Faith (now EASILY winnable, even with a spectacularly derpy group, but may still take some time to finish).

THat is a good idea.. I didn't think of it that way. o.O

[Chessala]

People leave an instance early because they believe that they're saving time; they believe the instance will take longer than 30 minutes to finish, and so by booking it right away, the 30 minute penalty is still better than what they'd have to deal with otherwise. Make it so the penalty does NOT save them time.

I don't think this applies to a lot of people. Personally, I don't care if the dungeon will take longer than 30 mins if I have a decent group (not necessarily in a dps sense. "Decent" here refers to the attitude of people). For example, I left an ex roulette yesterday (I was the healer). DPS was good/average but the tank's attitude stank to high heavens (sorry, but comparing antitower to A8S and saying that you NEED pacification off for your dpssssssssss is not acceptable). I did not click with the party (well, 2 people, the other was my partner).

Why would I do this to myself? I took off IMPORTANT debuffs like paralysis right away but I won't be made your berserk slave. Sure we could have kicked him seeing that we were 2 people but why bother to probably get an equally obnoxious tank? Fact is: people that want to leave WILL LEAVE, no matter the penalty. And personally I think that's good - why would you want someone in your party that clearly does not want to be there? And why would I have to suffer a party I do not want to be in?

Instead of finding alternatives for penalties, SE should be looking into dungeon-scaling and allowing people to go solo/duo/trio if that is what they want to do (mercenaries are a thing, just look at DDO). This constant "you must group with random people" is the thing that disturbs me most on the game, together with the lack of creative content.

[NaesakiAshwell]

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Granted its good practice to cure pacification off of a warrior who uses berserk (its not like its used every 30 seconds), casting esuna and the like, it doesn't take much. I mean if he was being obnoxious and jerk about wanting you to remove it by spamming chat with a macro or whatever then fair enough.

But if your justification for not curing pacification off him was because he compared Antitower to A8S (which granted is silly), then your attitude is just as bad as his.

[Chessala]

But if your justification for not curing pacification off him was because he compared Antitower to A8S (which granted is silly), then your attitude is just as bad as his.

It was a very obnoxious macro going off every 2-3 secs to get pacification off. Sure I will take it off normally if I notice and am not busy at the time (which I was) but if someone has the need to make a macro that is going off every few seconds, including sound effects, I usually ignore them.

I don't mind the kind that goes off once warning it will go off but this? I even warned him I wouldn't ignore the macro, which is when he started making very stupid comments.

[NaesakiAshwell]

It was a very obnoxious macro going off every 2-3 secs to get pacification off. Sure I will take it off normally if I notice and am not busy at the time (which I was) but if someone has the need to make a macro that is going off every few seconds, including sound effects, I usually ignore them.

I don't mind the kind that goes off once warning it will go off but this? No, sorry. Maybe your static appreciates it, I don't.

Thats a bit more understandable, honestly the berserk macro should be like a notification to say its been turned on and then another message 5 seconds before it wears off a single sound effect and just a message saying pacification debuff is about to be applied. Thats all that is needed tbh.

Having it spammed in your face is just unnecessary and it makes a bad warrior when they do the macro like that >_>

[Kaurie]

Granted its good practice to cure pacification off of a warrior who uses berserk (its not like its used every 30 seconds), casting esuna and the like, it doesn't take much. I mean if he was being obnoxious and jerk about wanting you to remove it by spamming chat with a macro or whatever then fair enough.

But if your justification for not curing pacification off him was because he compared Antitower to A8S (which granted is silly), then your attitude is just as bad as his.

I sometimes leeches off pacification - but I've tried to precast it and I guess it is server issues, because it doesn't remove it for me unless the WAR already has it applied. Which means I am giving the WAR 1 (maaaaybe 2) more GCDs at the cost of 1 GCD for myself, so I am not really sure it helps all that much.

I haven't been running roulettes for ages, but thought I'd give it a go for a short bit. Managed two Steps of Faith in that time, and both were surprisingly bad. I had been under the impression that they made it so easy now that wipes were quite challenging to manage, but not so.

That is unfortunate :\ IMO It was fairly easy on release. We wiped two times while we figured it out, and then I wiped once more on another run like a month later, as people were refusing to listen. Other than that, all of my runs have been very smooth/easy.

[Kaurie]

Personally, I feel the penalty is just fine. Then again, I very rarely see people leave a dungeon instantly (maybe has happened twice since Heavensward launched). The last time it happened, the tank left and me (Sch) and the two dps just went on and did half the expert roulette tankless.

[UnstablePersonality]

Personally, I feel the penalty is just fine. Then again, I very rarely see people leave a dungeon instantly (maybe has happened twice since Heavensward launched). The last time it happened, the tank left and me (Sch) and the two dps just went on and did half the expert roulette tankless.

I literally see it happen all the time, commonly in trials too...people leave on steps of faith and eat the 30 minutes for a 12 minute trial often too.