Thoughts on a new dps class

[Meui]

It's been a long while since I last revisited this sorta discussion and I don't really remember too many details from back during the event and some Live Letters. That said, I do remember Yoshi had admitted they were first considering SAM as the new tank for Heavensward but later decided on DRK.

I get the feeling SAM would be our new DPS that'd share a slot in the PT with DRG as well as their "heavy armor" DPS gear. RDM I could easily see filling the "support" role that BRD and MCH do, but with their own obvious RDM spin on it. RDM has always been a supporter/buffer in all FF games that I've played. So, that'd leave BLU as... well, I suppose a tank if we're expecting a new tank job. I can and can't see it. I wasn't expecting to see DRK as a tank, so I don't really know what to expect going forward.

[MagiusNecros]

Make Red Mage a Mage Tank instead. Thanks.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Make Red Mage a Mage Tank instead. Thanks.

Yes, please. This is all I'd need to be happy.

[Tanathya]

Make Red Mage a Mage Tank instead. Thanks.

As usual, agreed. RDM can be an insanely fun tank to play as.

[nexas506]

Id like to see red mage have an equal amount of magic and weapon skills. But because it can pull from both mp and tp, everything would have a higher than average cost.

I feel like red is gonna be a tank, due to it being a tanking job in final fantasy explorers.

And for blue, it learns weapon skills on its own, and every 5 levels (job quest) you have to go out to study certain monsters to learn their magic. No idea what roll it will be.

And samurai has to be a dps.Yoshi-p already said he wanted a sword using dps.

[ADVSS]

Literally any job in FF besides the obvious healers can be considered for a dps role, from that pool and besides something like paladin/holy knight you have to sort of guess and innovate, i mean first scholar to appear had libra/peep as its main ability, did use books but just attacked with them. Hardly a healer, but they turned it into one. I know alot of people want a mage/barrier tank, but im really trying to see how it would work and not be drk. Instacast magic barrier, enfire coodown enhances attack power for 20 seconds, tank stance reduces damage and increases enmity, instant cast floor aoe, instant cast aoe enmity generator, a spell to grab hate from a distance, maybe a gap closer, maybe an additional aoe attack that has enmity generation, lets be cool and give it a silence, it has to have an in demand stun or itd suck... I mean i could be slightly more innovative but if you give it casting times, it would probably not make it very far as a tank before losing hate or something. Because being a tank it HAS to dedicate a large amount of its skill pool and playstyle to fit pretty much the framework to be an effective tank, it could deviate for sure, but not by much.I love the mage armor can be boosted to tank armor specs with a stance too, would be fun to see a caster off tank voke the boss cause a healer let the mt die or mistimed bene, and get one shot from having cloth armor defense and hp pool of a summoner. Alot could be argued of dps roles, but they dont HAVE to have all these cooldowns, stuns, and utilities to grab hate or be the center of attention preventing any downtime, spell casting or movement. SE can do what they want though, so its possible it could end up whatever they feel like making it I just personally dont see them changing combat that much by the next expansion to warrant that kind of freedom, also itd have to pull from gladiator as 1/2 of its cross class skill pools, so there goes the black/white fantasy there too.

[Radacci]

That's all it is - rumors, and wishful thinking - there's rumors about SAM dps, RDM dps, BLU dps, DNC dps, RNG dps, BST dps, as well.
Anyway, there's nothing awkward about RDM using both melee and ranged, it could be like BRD using minuet - some skills are instant, while others are cast - you use WS combos, and cast some nukes; you can throw out some "scathe" while dodging aoes.

[ADVSS]

That's all it is - rumors, and wishful thinking - there's rumors about SAM dps, RDM dps, BLU dps, DNC dps, RNG dps, BST dps, as well.
Anyway, there's nothing awkward about RDM using both melee and ranged, it could be like BRD using minuet - some skills are instant, while others are cast - you use WS combos, and cast some nukes; you can throw out some "scathe" while dodging aoes.

Some form of dps that combines both varieties of gameplay is something i would welcome, i love my drg, i love my smn and blm but sometimes i want to play something that can do both things. Thatd be a dps main for me

[Deedsie]

Exactly where did this this idea that Blue Mages are synonymous with swords come from? Where most of these concepts originate is Final Fantasy Tactics. A single game. Granted, it's one of the few that has a class system, but I remind you that in that game also Red Mages used swords. Rapiers, to be precise.

No, the idea Blue Mages used swords came from FFV when they could equip them. However, in that game, Red Mage was the better melee fighter as it had access to heavier armors as well as higher strength while Blue Mage had higher magic stats and a wide selection of monster skills to use.

Regardless, Red Mage is the original fighter-caster in FF and those that want to push it as mainly a healer tend to forget that white magic has always only been 1/3 of what it has ever done.

[Destous]

I think we're at a point with jobs that it'd be a better idea to introduce new classes as specializations for existing classes rather than complete jobs. Something like a Time Mage or a Beast Master would either have too much overlap with an existing job or not enough to create a whole class; but if Time Mage was a healer specialization that offered a couple new abilities and some traits and Beast Master was a BRD specialization that did the same thing, then you'd have a cool way to augment existing classes and freshen them up.