Thoughts on a new dps class

[ADVSS]

Literally any job in FF besides the obvious healers can be considered for a dps role, from that pool and besides something like paladin/holy knight you have to sort of guess and innovate, i mean first scholar to appear had libra/peep as its main ability, did use books but just attacked with them. Hardly a healer, but they turned it into one. I know alot of people want a mage/barrier tank, but im really trying to see how it would work and not be drk. Instacast magic barrier, enfire coodown enhances attack power for 20 seconds, tank stance reduces damage and increases enmity, instant cast floor aoe, instant cast aoe enmity generator, a spell to grab hate from a distance, maybe a gap closer, maybe an additional aoe attack that has enmity generation, lets be cool and give it a silence, it has to have an in demand stun or itd suck... I mean i could be slightly more innovative but if you give it casting times, it would probably not make it very far as a tank before losing hate or something. Because being a tank it HAS to dedicate a large amount of its skill pool and playstyle to fit pretty much the framework to be an effective tank, it could deviate for sure, but not by much.I love the mage armor can be boosted to tank armor specs with a stance too, would be fun to see a caster off tank voke the boss cause a healer let the mt die or mistimed bene, and get one shot from having cloth armor defense and hp pool of a summoner. Alot could be argued of dps roles, but they dont HAVE to have all these cooldowns, stuns, and utilities to grab hate or be the center of attention preventing any downtime, spell casting or movement. SE can do what they want though, so its possible it could end up whatever they feel like making it I just personally dont see them changing combat that much by the next expansion to warrant that kind of freedom, also itd have to pull from gladiator as 1/2 of its cross class skill pools, so there goes the black/white fantasy there too.

[Anienai]

For the new DPS I would like to see beastmaster,

Man love.

[Radacci]

That's all it is - rumors, and wishful thinking - there's rumors about SAM dps, RDM dps, BLU dps, DNC dps, RNG dps, BST dps, as well.
Anyway, there's nothing awkward about RDM using both melee and ranged, it could be like BRD using minuet - some skills are instant, while others are cast - you use WS combos, and cast some nukes; you can throw out some "scathe" while dodging aoes.

[Teirdalin]

People who want RDM as a DPS almost always claim that it's because they want a swordmage, which is the strongest identity that BLU can lay claim to..

How in the world would people even think that? If anything red mage is more suited as a sword-mage of the two listed there, as they can actually equip armor. (as well as heavy armor) But if people -really- wanted a sword mage-> mystic knight.

[DWolfwood]

How in the world would people even think that? If anything red mage is more suited as a sword-mage of the two listed there, as they can actually equip armor. (as well as heavy armor) But if people -really- wanted a sword mage-> mystic knight.

Maybe because of this:



and this:



What does equipping armor have to do with being a sword mage anyways? Wouldn't that just be a DRK or PLD? BLU uses magic from enemies, so just give them swords and continue to establish one of the two predominant images of them. Problem solved. In fact, it would be neat to see them use AF from both of these pictures.

[Kazrah]

How in the world would people even think that? If anything red mage is more suited as a sword-mage of the two listed there, as they can actually equip armor. (as well as heavy armor) But if people -really- wanted a sword mage-> mystic knight.

When you look at more of the iconic version of RDM, it's far less "sword-mage" than just a mage that happens to have a sword. Yes, it had melee, and yes, it had magic, but they were always always ALWAYS kept separated and distinguished. How that might translate into FFXIV could likely be blend of general spellcaster and use melee combos to regenerate MP along with having more support skills like some alternate form of Bloodbath where it'd heal allies while dealing damage and have Doublecast as a damage cooldown.

Although when you think about it, all these interpretations of RDM could go right into the storyline of a magical soldier shrouded in myth and legend.

[Deedsie]

Exactly where did this this idea that Blue Mages are synonymous with swords come from? Where most of these concepts originate is Final Fantasy Tactics. A single game. Granted, it's one of the few that has a class system, but I remind you that in that game also Red Mages used swords. Rapiers, to be precise.

No, the idea Blue Mages used swords came from FFV when they could equip them. However, in that game, Red Mage was the better melee fighter as it had access to heavier armors as well as higher strength while Blue Mage had higher magic stats and a wide selection of monster skills to use.

Regardless, Red Mage is the original fighter-caster in FF and those that want to push it as mainly a healer tend to forget that white magic has always only been 1/3 of what it has ever done.

[Destous]

I think we're at a point with jobs that it'd be a better idea to introduce new classes as specializations for existing classes rather than complete jobs. Something like a Time Mage or a Beast Master would either have too much overlap with an existing job or not enough to create a whole class; but if Time Mage was a healer specialization that offered a couple new abilities and some traits and Beast Master was a BRD specialization that did the same thing, then you'd have a cool way to augment existing classes and freshen them up.

[basketofseals]

I know RDM has more claim to melee historically, but I can't help but feel like BLU should be the tank because their primary method of learning is getting hit.

[ADVSS]

I know RDM has more claim to melee historically, but I can't help but feel like BLU should be the tank because their primary method of learning is getting hit.

Yeah I have to agree if anything the blue mage has to get hit and survive to learn the skill, so at least even as a tank it can feel like its doing its thing and isnt quite as akward. If anything things that are op like white breath could just be cooldowns, and it wouldnt be too harsh on the bluemage formula, i think. I mean... white wind was literally like an aoe benediction. if the guys hp was high