botting.

[Mirh]

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I never said that crafting in an isolated area or instanced location, like a mission, was proof of booting, but combined with a non responsive player only someone that is hiding their shame wouldn't admit it looks suspect.

Well, at least speaking for own reply, I was trying to suggest that not everyone is paranoid and insecure about what people necessarily think about their choices. You're speaking in absolutes pertaining to a correlation of level of guilt : level of belief to suspicion. You don't have to be shameful or guilty to not find something suspicious. I'd venture to say you have to be partially guilty of it yourself to find it suspicious, since there is no better way to know what looks supicious than to be involved in creating suspicion, yourself.

But that's kind of the point. This isn't an Orwell novel and it's best to just relax and not look at people and worry about whether they are suspicious or not. You're also dealing with foreigners who just don't think like you in the best of times, as well.

Also, don't mistake people quoting parts of your posts as being selective. It's not necessarily ripping it out of context if the entire post is of the precise singular tone and point.

[MANTASTIC]

This bothers me more than anything because to fix it, they would need to redo crafting completely, Ala full wipe. These folks who burned a year of their life grinding 5 crafts and fishing and mining would be screwed and they already said this won't be happening...so they basically are sol when it comes to the inherent fundamental flaw of this section of the game.

It would be unnecessary to wipe characters' crafting levels to redo the system; just because the mechanics change doesn't mean progress has to be lost. It might become easier and far faster to level up if they make the changes I hope they do, but that shouldn't be any reason to not make them. Just the opposite.

I've heard the argument before that players should continue to put up with shitty mechanics and broken systems because other players suffered through it. "It would diminish their accomplishments," or some such. That was the reason the FFXI development team cited for refusing to change NM pop mechanics, amongst other things, I believe. But they did eventually, and you'd be fighting an uphill battle trying to convince me it wasn't worth changing.

The point being, its never too late to fix something that just sucks ass. That one guy on your server who got all his crafts to 50 might have spent innumerable hours toiling away(or watching netflix, etc), but the developers can't let that get in the way of fixing what so desperately needs to be fixed. If a masochist cries foul and quits, so be it. Another thousand players who were once disgusted with the treadmill that is crafting will finally be able to take his place in the market.

[Clydey]

non responsive when you spam LS chat/says/tells to them
and when they do respond 20 hours later "oh i had my 6 year old kid crafting for me and i told him not to respond to anything, sorry"

yeah, usualy you can tell, just sitting in 1 spot isnt botting
but theres ALOT of obvious signs that are there


and the above did happen, the LS member was reported, and subsequently got banned from 14
good for him lol

Do you actually craft? If you do, you should know better. Here's how crafting goes for me:

I start watching a DVD boxset while hitting Enter over and over. I pay very little attention to anything in the game, besides occasionally glancing up so that I can check to see if anyone is speaking to me. And the only reason I do this is so that I can quickly respond and put to bed any doubts that I am manually crafting.

Players who aren't so touchy about being accused of botting probably don't even glance up at their screen. So the notion that not responding while crafting makes you a bot is a complete myth. Anyone who has legitimately levelled multiple crafts to 50 knows this. It is a time-consuming process and extremely repetitive. No one wants to continuously stare at the screen while they simply hit the Enter key repeatedly.

[Aleczan]

I was crafting stopped to take a shower and got called a bot once....people just wanna press that panic button the minute they see a guy kneeling in craft mode at times.

Some people are just too thick to understand that people are most likely being AFK when you're not doing anything, not moving, not talking, and not making any action. I got screamed at for not replying, and got called "snob" because the person thought I felt superior and didn't want to talk. Some people are just.....weird.

Players who aren't so touchy about being accused of botting probably don't even glance up at their screen. So the notion that not responding while crafting makes you a bot is a complete myth. Anyone who has legitimately levelled multiple crafts to 50 knows this. It is a time-consuming process and extremely repetitive. No one wants to continuously stare at the screen while they simply hit the Enter key repeatedly.

Right. Crafting is a task enough that it would render me in no mood of trying to entertain or satisfy other people. And sometimes the chatlog runs so fast it could push stuff off the screen easily before I glance at the screen. Heck, I missed a lot of LS chat and /tells due to this, and it's a pain to scroll all the way up to look again at what I might have missed. I now have a chatlog tab dedicated to LS message, and another for /tell and /say, but I still miss the /tell and /say once in a while because I'm usually on my LS TAB.

Not to mention that now the chat input line is kinda broken (spacebar wouldn't bring up chat line while in the middle of a synthesis/gathering action) so it's now an even bigger hassle to talk while crafting/gathering. We got a promise from the devs team that they will fix it though.

[Jynx]

there is no clear cut sign to detect a bot

I'm sure when a GM warps you to Jail and your still trying to craft...you might be a bot.

[Nayt]

I'm sure when a GM warps you to Jail and your still trying to craft...you might be a bot.

If you were warped anywhere, you'd end up in neutral position. Repeatedly pressing enter like that will do nothing but lock on to the nearest target and attempting to use your no.1 skill in the bar. If it's not a usable skill in the situation, you'll do nothing at all basically

[Jynx]

If you were warped anywhere, you'd end up in neutral position. Repeatedly pressing enter like that will do nothing but lock on to the nearest target and attempting to use your no.1 skill in the bar. If it's not a usable skill in the situation, you'll do nothing at all basically

I'm aware of that, but the GM would clearly see the repeated enter strokes despite not actually being able to craft. It wouldn't take a scientist to decide if you were AFK and trying to craft. If you can't be bothered to even look at your screen while crafting you may as well be botting anyways. Your still crafting without playing the game, I doubt a GM would find any qualms with a suspension or ban on the account "If they even cared about this kind of stuff...wich they don't"

Your furious emails saying "I just wasn't watching my screen" would probably just get a chuckle and a automated reply saying too bad.

[Charismatic]

but the GM would clearly see the repeated enter strokes despite not actually being able to craft.

Doubful. I don't think this game sends packets for every time you press enter.

[Tiraelina]

I'm aware of that, but the GM would clearly see the repeated enter strokes despite not actually being able to craft. It wouldn't take a scientist to decide if you were AFK and trying to craft. If you can't be bothered to even look at your screen while crafting you may as well be botting anyways. Your still crafting without playing the game, I doubt a GM would find any qualms with a suspension or ban on the account "If they even cared about this kind of stuff...wich they don't"

Your furious emails saying "I just wasn't watching my screen" would probably just get a chuckle and a automated reply saying too bad.

I have a secret to show you.

http://i.imgur.com/18OOf.png

[Ashgarth]

I'm aware of that, but the GM would clearly see the repeated enter strokes despite not actually being able to craft. It wouldn't take a scientist to decide if you were AFK and trying to craft. If you can't be bothered to even look at your screen while crafting you may as well be botting anyways. Your still crafting without playing the game, I doubt a GM would find any qualms with a suspension or ban on the account "If they even cared about this kind of stuff...wich they don't"

Your furious emails saying "I just wasn't watching my screen" would probably just get a chuckle and a automated reply saying too bad.

That is not true at all. He IS playing the game. Crafting consits on pressing enter for hours, nothing else.
You CAN use skills.
you CAN change the recipe.
But that's not necessary at all. In the end all you have to do is press enter nonstop. Why should we stare at the screen if we can do something else?
People pressing enter while watching a movie are not the problem, the problem is the system that makes it possible. When one of the main mecanics in a game can be done for hours without even looking at the screen then something is terribly bad designed.