botting.

[Bluetaro]

You are just blurring the lines here. If you followed your own logic through completely, it would imply there is no difference between using a turbo controller or using a bot.

How so? The player would have to be present to hold the turbo controller button down, whereas a bot you could leave the computer by itself.

[Jynx]

If I was more energetic I'd get a second moniter set up to watch stuff while I craft, and still be able to see the game.

As it stands when I rarely craft I tend to browse the forums and refocus my window every few seconds (Tab+Alt) to "Normal synth" Then again it was mostly the same for my XI crafting career aside from the fact it took longer to due to needing to fill recipe slots everytime.

*edit*

But I never will support people who bot, I think it's the most idiotic thing you can do. Why bother playing the game when you can't even bother to be around? Being lazy and half idle is one thing...but totally absent is another.

[Blarp]

How so? The player would have to be present to hold the turbo controller button down, whereas a bot you could leave the computer by itself.

Scotch tape + turbo gamepad = crafting bot
It's easier to use. You don't ever have to worry about things like finding and updating memory offsets. The turbo-gamepad "bot" will never stop working because of a patch, or a bug. It's nearly undetectable. When SE changed the default cursor position to "Recipe" they turned everybody with a turbo gamepad into a potential hacker.

[Bluetaro]

Scotch tape + turbo gamepad = crafting bot
It's easier to use. You don't ever have to worry about things like finding and updating memory offsets. The turbo-gamepad "bot" will never stop working because of a patch, or a bug. It's nearly undetectable. When SE changed the default cursor position to "Recipe" they turned everybody with a turbo gamepad into a potential hacker.

I agree if they're going to leave their computer with the button scotch-taped down that would fall under SE's "absentee play" and should be investigated... Problem is, how can you tell that person from a player who is sitting there with a turbo button pressed while they're watching a movie?

My question is whether or not we can watch a movie while holding down a turbo controller button to spam craft. Since I'm physically there holding the button down, can I be banned for this?

[Nayt]

I agree if they're going to leave their computer with the button scotch-taped down that would fall under SE's "absentee play" and should be investigated... Problem is, how can you tell that person from a player who is sitting there with a turbo button pressed while they're watching a movie?

My question is whether or not we can watch a movie while holding down a turbo controller button to spam craft. Since I'm physically there holding the button down, can I be banned for this?

How would anyone ever be able to tell the difference between a turbo button left to it's own devices and a turbo button manually held down while the person is watching movies. Odds are he's not looking at the screen

[tragic]

Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...909&ret=faqtop

[Bluetaro]

Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...909&ret=faqtop

I realize the importance of what you have bolded, however as I mentioned earlier the key words that SE seem to be focusing on are absentee play. If I am physically at my computer holding down a turbo controller and I am able to respond to any instructions that they may have for me, I don't see any problem?

If someone leaves their comp running with an auto-button press overnight by all means punish away.

[Bluetaro]

How would anyone ever be able to tell the difference between a turbo button left to it's own devices and a turbo button manually held down while the person is watching movies. Odds are he's not looking at the screen

True, but how would it be different from someone manually pressing enter while watching a movie?

[Nayt]

I realize the importance of what you have bolded, however as I mentioned earlier the key words that SE seem to be focusing on are absentee play. If I am physically at my computer holding down a turbo controller and I am able to respond to any instructions that they may have for me, I don't see any problem?

If someone leaves their comp running with an auto-button press overnight by all means punish away.

With the wording in the ToS, yeah, you'd be fine. They'll only punish you for spamming enter if you're not responding.

[Bluetaro]

With the wording in the ToS, yeah, you'd be fine. They'll only punish you for spamming enter if you're not responding.

Which would be fine with me. If I'm afk-crafting that is totally unfair to all the players who are actually leveling legit.

However, I hope that SE wouldn't ban someone using a "tool that allowed for continuous actions to be performed automatically" when all it would be doing is have them hold down "enter" instead of spamming it.