botting.

[darkstarpoet1]

non responsive when you spam LS chat/says/tells to them
and when they do respond 20 hours later "oh i had my 6 year old kid crafting for me and i told him not to respond to anything, sorry"

yeah, usualy you can tell, just sitting in 1 spot isnt botting
but theres ALOT of obvious signs that are there


and the above did happen, the LS member was reported, and subsequently got banned from 14
good for him lol

exactly. there are ways you can have an idea if someone is botting or not, but on most occasions it's not enough proof to be sure. when i grind a craft i usually sit there the entire day and rarely speak in say or ls chat because my ls uses mumbles primarily and i have ptt set on my controller also. i'm not even one of the ones that walks away from the screen nor hides the gamer because both of those are cheating to me. i will admit that i do alot of watching of netflix on my second monitor though lol. i just don't like typing out what i have to say and prefer to use voice chat because those conversations get quite amusing at times.

my statement was in reference to the one that said that they believed most people that had a capped craft were botters and that was especially true for people that did it before march without anything to back it up. i agree there are way too many botters in the game and i would love to see them all get the ban hammer. that'd be just less competition for me in the market and more profits for me.

[Mirh]

Yet he mentioned doing it for 10hrs, so you sitting there hitting A in the same spot for 10hrs+? doubt that,doubt you are doing it for HOURS at all

Even if you were to be seen doing it for 10 hours, crying bot seems a bit 2003. Most gaming keyboards and devices these days come with macro features that you can hold down or even toggle to repeat a button press, and it's quite reasonable to imagine someone toggling it and walking away for a few crafts, or a few hours. Instead of tapping "A" or Enter or whatever you're using to press "Okay" to everything. At that point, it's the exact same animal.

If there's no real script logic involved (such as in a bot program, which would tell you what to lock onto or not, to move forward and what buttons to press) it's not botting. Just like how wedging a coin into your keyboard to hold a keypress down (anyone who played RF Online knows what I mean) isn't botting.

As far as battle botting goes, I'm not so much under the impression it's that rampant, because it seems that anyone who's botting is known as a botter. If botting was that bad, it'd be an accepted part of the game, like some MMOs with botters. But it's really vile that bot programs are working, kind of makes me miss PlayOnline (almost.)

Add: Botting(by any definition) would be much less common if the game wasn't in such a simpleton state and required real tactics and actually had real difficulty, *especially* for crafting. I thought spamming "Standard Synthesis" wasn't viable anymore, but oh look, it is. :/

[ShepardG]

Lol, this thread...

Botting sucks, i'll agree, having bots that claim once a day/week NM's was *EDIT*B.S. forgot which forums i was on and SE never addressed it, and it's a wonder that people were so masochistic that they kept paying for it.

With that said, the bots that are running in this game currently, have arguably been the only thing keeping the prices down so that legit players can actually legitimately level DoH. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to grind up 3 crafts to get crystals from fish to get shards from crystals to get enough shards to make enough ax heads to gain enough experience to level up. INB4, your doing it wrong, learn to play, newb, etc....

Imho, crafting should have never been a "class". It's a job.... I don't work at my RL job to come play a game that simulates me WORKING MY RL JOB.

And besides all this, If SE is worrying about botting "ruining" the game, then this game was great to start with and needed no major corrections in the first place. ??? Do you see what i'm getting at? Do you grasp the concept "bigger fish to fry"?

Folks around here need some GD Common sense...

[Agoven]

Seriously...the moderator closes one thread about this very topic and another troll happy person opens another one about the same topic. Can't people just read old threads?

RMT Botting...meh...it doesn't matter so much in FFXIV.

Some people don't agree with certain play styles. Some people like to dual box and play 2 characters at once...people can play how they want as long as they don't break the rules.

With the many ways you have to earn things in FFXIV most of them outside the realm of Gil earning...there's no huge point in botting unless you selling accounts.

This topic is getting old...

I like the old fashion hard way of playing...I grinded archer class from rank 45 to 50 on mostly 50 SP per kill...I am not a botter I just enjoy a hard grind now and again.

I fell asleep once and slept on my controller apparently I was endlessly walking against a wall. In another instance I slept on my keyboard and was targeting 3 or 4 people endless all night long. Someone on my server accused me of botting because of this...

Like seriously? The only thing with bots is they are annoying at best in FFXIV. When they show up at an Aetheryte and seemingly become obnoxiously invading your grinding or taking up your behest. Otherwise, meh. Most players on any server know enough to not do business or interact with "real" botters anyways.

[Nayt]

Seriously...the moderator closes one thread about this very topic and another troll happy person opens another one about the same topic. Can't people just read old threads?

Well, the other one hung players out as supposed rmt. Let's hope people have the sense not to make the same mistake here.

[Kio]

Botting on my server is ridiculously rampant. People don't even bother trying to hide it, and you basically trip over a dozen automated crafters on the main streets of Uldah. It's extremely dismaying as a legitimate player. I always feel like people who don't really care about the game and cheat at it, be it in auto leveling, power leveling, or craft botting get rewarded greatly for their efforts. And I only get a character who can't keep up and a worn out enter key.

I kind of blame a series of faults for the issue:

-The crafting game isn't engaging and people feel comfortable only using the standard method to complete a synth. This has made it possible to successfully level crafting with one key press and without looking at the game. Far too easy to automate.

-The crafting game takes too long to complete. Pairing with the above stated, even if you went through the attentive effort to try to achieve a HQ result, the probability is so flakey it doesn't feel worth it in the end. Hopefully the upcoming adjustment will help this. In the meantime, I think the length of the minigame has turned people away from wanting to do it hundreds of times required to level up.

-Admitted lack of GM monitoring by SE while trying to rework the game. Doesn't help that in FFXI there wasn't a very strong presence either. I think people feel safe to get away with anything that can't be concretely undisputed in a chat log. Like using fowl language that someone reported offense to.

-Several players don't seem to value their character as much yet and don't feel particularly threatened by being banned.

-Popular notion that a mass banning of known botters would greatly impact the server populations and playerbase. A lot of people are comfortable and confident it just simply won't be done.

-Too much emphasis and importance placed on needing all classes leveled. You may not need to have subcrafts leveled anymore but there's still a strong disadvantage in the game in not having all the crafting classes brought up. For battle classes it's pretty much mandatory. Hopefully the upcoming adjustments and job system corrects this.

-Cumbersome GM call system even if you were bothered to try to report someone.

-Since it's become such a widespread practice, people considering it feel safe that botting in this game is not only safe, but also a wiser thing to do. No one wants to tattle on friends and linkshell members, especially if they benefit from having someone around to do one stop crafting for them.

Sorry for lack of articulation, in a rush out the door. Everyone is free to disagree with my points of course.

[Jinko]

So if automated turbo controllers are so against the TOS why do SE allow players to do it, they have designed the UI so you can just spam enter, in fact they only just changed the default position of the cursor to recipe making it even easier for this to take place.

Surely if SE were that against botting in general they would make mini games that couldn't be botted, its not that hard to do really.

Yoshi-p did mention they plan to change the fishing game so maybe thats what they have in mind.

[Deminia]

To the person who said he saw someone standing in the same spot fishing for 10 hours: I wonder if you were actually also there for the full 10 hours, never once leaving. I can assure you that when I was trying to get my @#$%!! Dowse III ability, I was forced to repeat the same irritating local leve (which is always in the exact same spot on the exact same ledge near Bloodshore) to get enough guild marks. If someone came by and saw me there, and then left and came back, they might have thought I was standing there for several days without moving. However - I was completing my 2 leves, fishing up any remaining bait while there, returning to Limsa, picking up the same 2 leves again, and teleporting back and forth for several days in a row. It was all I did because I wanted the ability. I would log in and out at that ledge if I got too tired and still had bait I wanted to use up.

It takes forever to level fishing and there are only 2 possible leves you can take at a time to earn guild marks. Sometimes neither of those leves even awards any marks, so you need to just wait until they change (which can be ages) or take the available leves, complete them, and hope the next turn in will have the guild marks leves available).

Just because it may appear that someone is standing in the same spot repeating an action for hours or even days on end does not mean they are a botter.

I hate how so many people cry bot and even report people without any proof at all other than the claim that they saw the same character in the same place "all day" doing the same thing. Welcome to FFXIV crafting.

Actual botters I do not approve of - I in no way support anyone cheating or illegally using the game to make money. I also don't support crying bot on innocent players.

[Medura]

Buying a joypad is completely legal and not botting, turning on turbo mode plus some tape is all thats needed, hope they revert to how crafting was before 1.19 though, clicking same button a thousand times isnt really a challenge

[Nayt]

Buying a joypad is completely legal and not botting, turning on turbo mode plus some tape is all thats needed, hope they revert to how crafting was before 1.19 though, clicking same button a thousand times isnt really a challenge

Feels to me like that was a quick fix to make the mini game less tedious until they had the time to actually do something about it.

I hope they'll get around to changing the way crafting works soon