botting.

[MANTASTIC]

I'm almost to my first fifty craft. Crafting is borIng. I do get sense of accomplishment from ranking up and I do feel good when I can help out my LS mates.

There is a huge bottin problem. You can't identify a bot as a player with 100% accuracy, but when I catch players crafting and unresponsive in instanced events or someone doing the same on a random far off point in the map, there is no greater evidence of someone trying to hide their shame. I would really like to be able to call a GM and have them investigate the player. I know there would be a lot of false reports, but people who do it the right way feel wronged otherwise. I am one of those people.

You other achievements in the game dont mean squat if your using gear you made from a botted craft. Shame on you, you WILL get urs.


Happy gamin'

You should probably take a step back and read what you wrote.

Your argument is essentially "I put up with this shitty system so others should have to as well! /angryface!!!!11"

[Mirh]

I suppose in Destain's logic, crafting in Merchant Ward to escape the grating, by now absolutely repulsive Halloween music in Ul'dah so you don't grit your teeth to the root while repetitively pressing enter is grounds for a ban. (No, why mute the music when the game has GOOD music elsewhere?)

Everything happens because the design encourages it. If some of your crafters aren't strewn out in the middle of the walkway like some kind of crazy crack den with people you have to step over, but instead, are off secluded and against the norm, maybe it's a combination of efficiency and perhaps that people just don't like contributing to the thoughtlessness of other crafters (how many have us accidentally kneeled on another crafter only to jerk back up and feel horrible for blocking their vision once they load)

Nope, botters. Filthy dirty botters not crafting around an NPC!

[Neasa]

There will always be botters, no matter how "easy" things are made.
And SE will always ignore 99% of them, it seems. -.-

[Destain]

Wow, who would of thought expressing your opinion on a thread that asks for your opinion would result in so much rage?!

Anyways, you may have just skimmed my post. So I'll try and use my tiny stupid brain to answer all your responses in one go.

I never said that crafting in an isolated area or instanced location, like a mission, was proof of booting, but combined with a non responsive player only someone that is hiding their shame wouldn't admit it looks suspect. Yes, if I had to do it the honest way I am going to not like people that cheat, how is that wrong? It's not like I said crafting is fun and shouldn't be improved.

And I apologize, i should have been clearing that when I say evidence, I meant to me. Like I said there is no way to tell if a player is a bot. Only SE can determine that. It's just my perception of the situation.

Go ahead and selectively pick and choose individual sentences from a thread and ignore the context. That's up to you. If you want to spend your time jumping on people for having an opinion on an opinion thread be ready to be busy for every minute of every hour of every day of every year of every decade... You get the point. I guess i just don't understand saying that I think I'm cool cus I have rank 50, which I explicitly said for crafting I'm only close to. It's almost like you can't read, but that's can't be right. Your on forums after all.

[Zeref]

I never said that crafting in an isolated area or instanced location, like a mission, was proof of booting, but combined with a non responsive player only someone that is hiding their shame wouldn't admit it looks suspect. Yes, if I had to do it the honest way I am going to not like people that cheat, how is that wrong? It's not like I said crafting is fun and shouldn't be improved.

So not only did you call us botters before, you're calling us botters again if we're not adamantly staring at the screen awaiting your communication? stop being so full of yourself, there is no clear cut sign to detect a bot, and you're just trying to sound smarter than you are, no you didn't said they're cheating, you said they're "hiding their shame" which is just the same as calling them cheaters, unless they were naked, either you're trying to use semantics or you're too slow to tell what you yourself are saying.

[Destain]

So not only did you call us botters before, you're calling us botters again if we're not adamantly staring at the screen awaiting your communication? stop being so full of yourself, there is no clear cut sign to detect a bot, and you're just trying to sound smarter than you are, no you didn't said they're cheating, you said they're "hiding their shame" which is just the same as calling them cheaters, unless they were naked, either you're trying to use semantics or you're too slow to tell what you yourself are saying.

Lol. I love how you take my opinion personal. Did I say anything about you or anyone else on this forum? Did I say I required an immediate response? Your putting words in my mouth. This threads over for me.

Bottom line, and hopefully this is something even you and I can agree on, bots are bad! In my opinion, there should be a way to report them, as you used to be able to via the support desk. Should SE ban all people reported? No. Sould they investigate reports? Yes.

I remember why I rarely post now. I wish you the best in ffxiv and in life.

Xoxo

[Deminia]

Lol. I love how you take my opinion personal. Did I say anything about you or anyone else on this forum? Did I say I required an immediate response? Your putting words in my mouth. This threads over for me.

Bottom line, and hopefully this is something even you and I can agree on, bots are bad! In my opinion, there should be a way to report them, as you used to be able to via the support desk. Should SE ban all people reported? No. Sould they investigate reports? Yes.

I remember why I rarely post now. I wish you the best in ffxiv and in life.

Xoxo

You claimed crafters who prefer to craft in areas with little traffic and therefore less lag "hiding in shame." Yes, plenty of us who are playing by the rules yet still get accused of botting will take that personally. I am not hiding in shame. I am also not likely to answer some random person's wave if I am in the middle of crafting.

Another reason we like to craft away from crowds is to not have to deal with people who assume that not responding to a random stranger equates to botting. I have had idiots walk all over me while I am sitting there crafting, deliberately being distracting. They either think it is fun to stand on my character or they are "testing" me to see if I am a bot. It is annoying as hell so I choose to craft away from areas with lots of traffic and therefore less people performing such "tests."

When I want to read shouts for a party or feel like being in the repair area to fix gear for people in between synths, then I sit out in town. Otherwise I am almost always hanging out somewhere with easy access to either my retainers (who store my crafting supplies) or a vendor (who sells materials I am crafting with or to whom I can toss my unwanted gazillion undyed pieces of junk I spammed to get 1/4 of a crafting level). If I need synth support and plan to craft on several classes, I park myself at an uncrowded camp to be near the vendor and synth support and be away from spam & lag.

I don't use any devices or programs at all to craft. I also don't tape down the enter key. I sit at my pc and hit enter or click my mouse while talking on the phone, watching youtube, or talking with my ls mates. I am very often not aware of anything else going on in the game around me because I am not interested.

[Zeref]

Lol. I love how you take my opinion personal. Did I say anything about you or anyone else on this forum? Did I say I required an immediate response? Your putting words in my mouth. This threads over for me.

You're kidding me right? you basically called all of us filthy cheaters who "hide our shame" simply because we craft in secluded places without staring at the chat window without blinking, why wouldn't I take it personal?

[Jynx]

there is no clear cut sign to detect a bot

I'm sure when a GM warps you to Jail and your still trying to craft...you might be a bot.

[Nayt]

I'm sure when a GM warps you to Jail and your still trying to craft...you might be a bot.

If you were warped anywhere, you'd end up in neutral position. Repeatedly pressing enter like that will do nothing but lock on to the nearest target and attempting to use your no.1 skill in the bar. If it's not a usable skill in the situation, you'll do nothing at all basically