Raid Dificulty levles - request to SE

[Laraul]

It's not like Savage has even a moderate percentage of players tackling it - it's too challenging for the average player of XIV as nothing in the game has conditioned them to think at all. Most content all the way to 60 you can do with your brain shut off, and in anything requiring any effort you can easily get carried through.

According to the Loadstone, the only level 60 class you have is Marauder (Warrior). You've hardly touched any of the healer roles at all. I suggest before saying player's don't need to use their brains for most of the game's existing content, you should spend more time playing a different roll than you normally play. It's not exactly fair to say their isn't enough content when you haven't made an effort doing content that's already available.

[PondHollow]

i think u didnt read my post. i was saying to add meduim mode, on the expense of normal mode. cause normal is pointelss , cleared in matter of 2 hours upon release by casual players ignoring most mechanics.

Can we have a sober discussion of how true or false this is?

Because I thought Alex Normal, as experienced, wasn't easy. To an extent it's made uneasy by lusty people who rush in without discussion, but to an extent, everything can legitimately kill you.

Of course, most people aren't me, but most people aren't you either; so a perspective on the behavior of the actual player-base (not the small amount of people who bother with forums) is important. Not everyone can reliably play for two hours, for example.

[alimdia]

Can we have a sober discussion of how true or false this is?

Because I thought Alex Normal, as experienced, wasn't easy. To an extent it's made uneasy by lusty people who rush in without discussion, but to an extent, everything can legitimately kill you.

Of course, most people aren't me, but most people aren't you either; so a perspective on the behavior of the actual player-base (not the small amount of people who bother with forums) is important. Not everyone can reliably play for two hours, for example.

you only need 1 good healer and 1 good tank for a5,6,7 normal to win.
for a8 u need some good dps but thats it

[Eidolon]

Because I thought Alex Normal, as experienced, wasn't easy. To an extent it's made uneasy by lusty people who rush in without discussion, but to an extent, everything can legitimately kill you.

Well. I think people mix up "You can ignore mechanics" with "You can easily recover from mechanics."


There aren't really any mechanics in Normal mode of the most recent tier that basically can lead to a raid wipe. For example, not stacking for a mechanic = just you die. Not doing your mechanic = just you die. Etc. etc. There's very few mechanics it has that like... try to kill your raid for your mistake? Compare this to savage mode, where frequently, you making a mistake will kill others, and those aren't as recoverable.

That's why it's called easy. Comparitavely, the fact that it's much more possible to carry one guy through makes it a lot more of a joke. The guy on the ground might find it the hardest thing in the world, but the people standing and carrying him kinda discredit that.

quick edit:
Removed the word idiot, replaced it with guy. Honestly, didn't realise how just... bloody conceited that came off until I re-read it in the post. Sorry for that if I offended anyone.

[SpookyGhost]

According to the Loadstone, the only level 60 class you have is Marauder (Warrior). You've hardly touched any of the healer roles at all. I suggest before saying player's don't need to use their brains for most of the game's existing content, you should spend more time playing a different roll than you normally play. It's not exactly fair to say their isn't enough content when you haven't made an effort doing content that's already available.

How is playing the same content, but as a different role, more content? I'm not leveling a healer because I don't find healing fun. My boyfriend plays WHM/AST, he shares my exact sentiments, so there isn't some mystical other side of the XIV universe I'm missing out on by not leveling that role. What I'd personally like is more content that isn't the exact same content I've already done, but this time I use my GCDs on players instead of the monsters :OOOOOOOOOOO.

[starLivitation]

so we need a solution, we already have 4 man silly dungens that offer us no challange but give us weekly i230 gear. why also add silly alexander normal raid ? why call it a raid in the first place. traditionally 8-mans was a raid, ( except for story mode castrum and ultima ), now we have 8-man dungens that are silly and needless, not offering any challange what so ever, offering free i220 gear, how is this help the game?

please eliminate easy mode 8-man raid it hurts the players and the game, as people except to get gear without doing any work for it.

[Caitlinzulu]

So you basicly want to shut out a large part of the players from the fight? A lot of people HERE claim the fight is easy and people ignore the mechanics. Shure they do that now,after we get our 230 gear, it wasnt like that when the raids first came out. Then you really had to do the mechanics to finish. Its like any raid sufficiant ilvl lets you ignore a lot of the mechanics

[starLivitation]

What, exactly, would this "medium" mode consist of? More mage-unfriendly mechanics (e.g. AoE attacks that force casters to waste time moving more often than they do at present)? More adds that can wipe a party if they're not dealt with in time? More debuffs that healers cannot remove?

Those would be called Extreme Primals.

Well if u had a look at second coil it's the perfect example for this. normal mode was a challange, specially t7, ,also t9 was intresting mechanic fight , both needed lot of practice and thought put into them.
then u got the savage mode, where the mechanics become more demanding, so in t7 got multi adds multi pertrification to deal with, t7 mechanics were amplified, t8 towers were more complicated and RNG based, t9 also adding more stuff going on throught he whole fight making it more dificult.

So you basicly want to shut out a large part of the players from the fight? A lot of people HERE claim the fight is easy and people ignore the mechanics. Shure they do that now,after we get our 230 gear, it wasnt like that when the raids first came out. Then you really had to do the mechanics to finish. Its like any raid sufficiant ilvl lets you ignore a lot of the mechanics

more like day 1, with pure 210 gear, they were a breaze, we did them without looking at mechanics or doing mechanics, learning mechanics later on.

[Alaina]

Normal was added so the people who don't have the time to commit to a "static" can see the story that they pay for each month.

[CookieMonsta]

Normal was added so the people who don't have the time to commit to a "static" can see the story that they pay for each month.

To be fair, there isn't much of a story to see in Alexander. Its mostly about the gear for now.