Thread: DEV Request: WM & GB changes for 4.0

Originally Posted by nexas506

My only issue with WM is the name and the lore behind it.
It would make more sense if it had something to do with the strings on the bow. Tighter strings would require more effort to shoot an arrow, and that would call for a charge/prep time instead of calling it a "cast time". Logically it makes more sense that way.

And "able to sing with other songs" is ridiculous. Have you ever tried to sing 2 different songs at the same time? Go on. Try it now... i but it didn't work out very well.

Would make more sense if WM was like a duet
With your weapon.. or a Spirit
Or a singing Moogle..

Still singing a duet with a soul infused singing weapon..

Sounds like something I would wanna see

Originally Posted by nexas506

And "able to sing with other songs" is ridiculous. Have you ever tried to sing 2 different songs at the same time? Go on. Try it now... i but it didn't work out very well.

Oh, I dunno. Ever heard of a medley? In music, it's a composition comprising of multiple songs rolled into one. Medley also makes for a nice ability name.

To be honest, I don't like most of the songs they've given us. Ballad is great, but the Paeon rarely gets used because there are so many better ways to recover TP now. There's no attack, defense or speed buffs either. No songs to rejuvenate HP or enhance your stats. In FFXI, the first songs you ever get are a defense buff and an attack buff! They decided to focus squarely on the DPS aspect of FFXIV's Bard instead of support, which begs the question why they didn't just name the class 'Ranger' and remove the songs entirely. Let's be honest, at this stage most jobs can manage their MP fine enough without a bard, and most bards don't like to use it anyway because of the DPS drop.

Wanderer's Minuet is just another example of SE ignoring the players. No one asked for it, no one wanted it, but we got it anyway. A single skill to upset the status quo and make your 50+ levels feel wasted since it does nothing to prepare you for your final levels. The cast time is just long enough to be annoying, and not long enough to justify giving us a stronger attack boost. Long enough that weaving in bloodletter results in forced pauses. A small pause no doubt, but those little moments add up considerably over time.

I've noticed a considerable lull in the number of level 60 bards when running dungeons and raid content. They're still out there, and still playing, but certainly not in the numbers that they were before Heavensward was released. I would be very interested to see a census about how often classes are actually used, rather than simply how high people have levelled them up.

Originally Posted by Lemuria

I've noticed a considerable lull in the number of level 60 bards when running dungeons and raid content. They're still out there, and still playing, but certainly not in the numbers that they were before Heavensward was released. I would be very interested to see a census about how often classes are actually used, rather than simply how high people have levelled them up.

I love Bard, but I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if basically every Bard main unanimously agreed that Minuet is deeply flawed at the end of the day. I actually wonder how Minuet got past the testing phase without anyone bringing up how badly it clashes with Bloodletter procs, and the only answer I can come up with is that Minuet in its current form was such a late last minute decision that it wasn't thoroughly tested at all (and the devs DID admit that they didn't even test -Gordias Savage-).

Originally Posted by Knahli

stuff that literally made me laugh out loud

Er ma gerd i got a shout out. Happy nexas

It could be that the Bards alter their song mid-performance to use multiple skills at once in certain cases, (be it lyrics, tempo or pitch), explaing why Minuet and Paean can be used with other songs. Much like in the example in Knahli's post, but less tounge-in cheek

i want to get AUTOATTACKS BACK , come on already.....

who knows what happened in SE HQ....because MCH was supposed to be a job that changed attachments...




but in the end we got what we got...and is infuriating to say the least...because MCH looked so promising...

GB or WM who know what was created 1 ...the issue is still here...and feels like a patch to a gunshot wound.... (pun intended)

Originally Posted by Warlyx

who knows what happened in SE HQ....because MCH was supposed to be a job that changed attachments...



but in the end we got what we got...and is infuriating to say the least...because MCH looked so promising...

More or less this. They had previewed things like ammo usage, attachments and the like. What we got seems to be incredibly trimmed and honestly really shallow, especially relative to bard.

I love GB! :3

Think both are fine as they are, Bard could use some tweaks to make it flow a bit better but other than that i consider them one of the best additions.