Would you like an in-game parser?

[HyoMinPark]

On topic, I wouldn't mind an in-game parser that only showed my numbers.

Something that shows my current DPS, my strongest hit, and my Crit percentage like ACT does. Then after the duty is over, show my total damage dealt during the duty. For things like Ex primals and Savage raids, it would be nice to have a sort of "optimal" DPS number to compare yours to, so you can see if you need to improve, or if you are excelling. So, example: [Duty name] : [Job] : Optimal DPS: 1800.00. Or something like that. So one can say "Oh, well as a Dragoon, I should aim to do xxxx DPS or more in [insert duty here]." Since sometimes I wonder what would be "good" DPS in some duties. Even if my friends say that my numbers are more than enough for a piece of content, I guess seeing the comparison would make me feel a little more confident. X3

However, I only would want it to show just your, the player's, numbers. Not the numbers of the entire party. That would probably alleviate some of the "griefing" people think would happen if this became a thing.

Really, I just want to know my numbers for certain fights without having to ask a PC friend to parse for me (I play on PS4).

[LunaFaye]

I don't see any difference to what we are having already. At the moment you get kicked for under performing but people are not mentioning it, they will find any other excuse so that if they are reported, it falls under the grey fine line of "players are allowed to kick you IF they have a different play style" If we make parsers official at least you could be honest when kicking players out of instances instead of the none sense excuses.

[SpookyGhost]

Does anyone know what the argument against a personal DPS meter is? I can't think of any down-sides to it.

I don't think a party-wide parser would really cause any problems either, honestly. Harassment won't be any higher than it is now - anyone that cares about it already has ACT. At least with a parser in the game the player that gets kicked will know why they got kicked and try to improve so that it doesn't happen again.

[Xlantaa]

Does anyone know what the argument against a personal DPS meter is? I can't think of any down-sides to it.

I don't think a party-wide parser would really cause any problems either, honestly. Harassment won't be any higher than it is now - anyone that cares about it already has ACT. At least with a parser in the game the player that gets kicked will know why they got kicked and try to improve so that it doesn't happen again.

They use ACT yes, but you can be banned if you tell something "your numbers are low". You can be banned for parsing if you talk about it to others and they report you. You can use it, but keep it for you and your friends/static.

A official one can be used to harras "in the safe way" (means you cannot get banned). That's essential de differnece. I don't want it, because I don't want see people kicking other form Satasha becasue his DPS should be 40, and he is doing 39.

It is not a exageration, this will happend. 100% sure of it.

[Frowny]

They use ACT yes, but you can be banned if you tell something "your numbers are low". You can be banned for parsing if you talk about it to others and they report you. You can use it, but keep it for you and your friends/static.

A official one can be used to harras "in the safe way" (means you cannot get banned). That's essential de differnece. I don't want it, because I don't want see people kicking other form Satasha becasue his DPS should be 40, and he is doing 39.

It is not a exageration, this will happend. 100% sure of it.

No that's exaggeration. Most I've ever seen is someone point out rotation goofs to help a person; most dungeons are so facerolly you don't need to push high DPS. No one really cares for DPS numbers in dungeons except if the check is harsh (looking at you, Vault). Even then people already yell if a DPS is goofing.

In what world will this give free pass to harass? Harassment is harassment, I don't see SE going "oh, they harassed using our tool... they coo' "

[Xlantaa]

No that's exaggeration. Most I've ever seen is someone point out rotation goofs to help a person; most dungeons are so facerolly you don't need to push high DPS. No one really cares for DPS numbers in dungeons except if the check is harsh (looking at you, Vault). Even then people already yell if a DPS is goofing.

In what world will this give free pass to harass? Harassment is harassment, I don't see SE going "oh, they harassed using our tool... they coo' "

it is a posibility. If SE add a official parse, they can add to the kick feature the option of "Low DPS". I knwo a lot of poeple who will be happy with this... It is not the same study DPs for Static content like savage than Low level dungeons. No one should kicked never for DPSing. The duties who required it is usually Static content, an this groups are usually organized around this. I have no problem on personal parser for you, but party wide is the dangerous one.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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A official one can be used to harras "in the safe way" (means you cannot get banned). That's essential de differnece. I don't want it, because I don't want see people kicking other form Satasha becasue his DPS should be 40, and he is doing 39.

It is not a exageration, this will happend. 100% sure of it.

Everything I'd want to say to this post has already been said...

That's a jump to conclusions...
There are still rules in the Terms of Service that don't allow harassment.


A parser is just a tool, it's up to the user to use it responsibly.
A toxic person will be toxic regardless.

If they're harassing for any reason, parser or no, they should be reported and have action taken against them.

Harassment is still harassment and is not allowed.

[Frowny]

it is a posibility. If SE add a official parse, they can add to the kick feature the option of "Low DPS".

It is also possible for California to fall into the Pacific. That isn't going to happen tho. That.... assumption is just completely irrational.

[AureliusDraconium]

I am in the middle on this one. I used a parser in World of Warcraft. It was great to see my dps and where I needed to improve.

However, even running very easy dungeons people will kick a person if their dps is not up to par. You get kicked for not being where you should dps wise, at least where the other players think you should be. I'm not taking about apparently bad players but players who may not have as quick a reaction time as others due to lag. They get kicked very often even if the dungeon is very easy with all the bosses dying and no wipes. Everyone I know who plays wow only runs with guild members because the kick situation is so bad due to parsers. I'm in a wow fb group, and very often you see posts of people getting kicked for not having raid equivalent dps in just easy dungeons. It's at the point of being ridiculous. The addon support for WoW is amazing but it comes at a price. I came back to FFXIV because it's the opposite. Sure, would a personal parser be nice? Yes, it would. But I am glad that toxic behavior over dps is not allowed in this game. I make sure I play up to par but as a BLM I do not want to be harassed for dps if I am new to a dungeon etc.

[Frowny]

However, even running very easy dungeons people will kick a person if their dps is not up to par.

The attitude there is VERY different. The only times I've seen kicks in dungeons for poor DPS is after we point out easy fixes (ie. "Hey, use Heavy Thrust for a huge gain") and either get ignored or yelled at.