Would you like an in-game parser?

[Mature]

The issue in here is the user and not the application. A clear example just happened to me yesterday, I was in a v4s party and everyone seemed ok waiting for the next tank to join, so this imbecile joined the party...... well clearly he only joined to rave about this idiotic red parsing and how he is not prepared to help others cause there's too many greens/and blues in logs.... And so he left.

These are the kind of morons that need eradicating from the game. 1st no one gives a sodding toss about their parsing, 2nd raves about logs when his character is pretty much a casual one having not completed even 40% of what the game provides.

These are the kind of attitudes that make people refuse having an in game parsing... because of people like this one. Would be a different story of these kind of individuals were more supporting and helpful with the community.

So don't blame the parsing app cause at the end of the day it's there for some to improve and get better.Sadly no everyone has access to it (PS4 players to be more precise)

[KaldeaSahaline]

The issue in here is the user and not the application. A clear example just happened to me yesterday, I was in a v4s party and everyone seemed ok waiting for the next tank to join, so this imbecile joined the party...... well clearly he only joined to rave about this idiotic red parsing and how he is not prepared to help others cause there's too many greens/and blues in logs.... And so he left.

These are the kind of attitudes that make people refuse having an in game parsing... because of people like this one. Would be a different story of these kind of individuals were more supporting and helpful with the community.

So don't blame the parsing app cause at the end of the day it's there for some to improve and get better.Sadly no everyone has access to it (PS4 players to be more precise)

What is wrong with him seeing peoples logs and deciding that his time is better spent elsewhere? While I agree with your point that it's a playerbase issue not a tool issue, I question your example. I see no wrong in that, unless there is context or specific verbiage you have that points to this person being toxic, because based on your text, he was not.

[shadowclasper]

What is wrong with him seeing peoples logs and deciding that his time is better spent elsewhere? While I agree with your point that it's a playerbase issue not a tool issue, I question your example. I see no wrong in that, unless there is context or specific verbiage you have that points to this person being toxic, because based on your text, he was not.

The issue isn't him moving on, the issue is him acting like a jackals about it. I'd popped in then just left nobody would give a fuck, instead he ranted ar people just to be an ass

[ChrisRedfield2]

Yes they should make one honestly

[Themarvin]

This thread is not to debate the worth of parsers. It's a simple poll to like posts. It may be bumped, but DO NOT discuss the pros or cons of parsers. There are a substantial amount of parser threads.

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The reason why it is not in there, is because the tool would make you permit doing DPS shaming in all shapes and forms, as now built in by SE... and they can't have that.

Best option, git gud with your job... and that IS NOT a harrashment to say that, you need to do your job well in the lets us say a tad more difficult content such as savage/ultimates/pvp/ex trials/unreal.

And that require an effort put into it.

[Shurrikhan]

The reason why it is not in there, is because the tool would make you permit doing DPS shaming in all shapes and forms, as now built in by SE... and they can't have that.

Best option, git gud with your job... and that IS NOT a harrashment to say that, you need to do your job well in the lets us say a tad more difficult content such as savage/ultimates/pvp/ex trials/unreal.

And that require an effort put into it.

--> 'No, we should deny people learning tools, because they might then do with it X bad thing they can already do just as well and which is already identically punishable and routinely punished.'

--> 'Instead, just git gud without the learning tool.'

???

While, yes, people can just memorize Balance openers and the like without testing a damn thing for themselves (as done via parsing oneself), that's hardly what builds an intuition for handling any sort of nuance, which should be something we want players to become capable of, no?

[Themarvin]

--> 'No, we should deny people learning tools, because they might then do with it X bad thing they can already do just as well and which is already identically punishable and routinely punished.'

--> 'Instead, just git gud without the learning tool.'

???

While, yes, people can just memorize Balance openers and the like without testing a damn thing for themselves (as done via parsing oneself), that's hardly what builds an intuition for handling any sort of nuance, which should be something we want players to become capable of, no?

If you can beat the dummies set out for it, you do enough, that means you do your rotations well enough to be able to beat whatever boss in thegame.

If SE put in open DPS meters in the game is the same if giving them permission to shame others and openly deny people from joining groups even if they do enough DPS to beat the content because 'speed run' and other ways of discriminations.

That is why, they said they never will add such tools, it is even prohibited to openly use them from third party programs (apps) that is why, also the gamers do not get to dictate what the devs should put into their game, it is the other way around, they can be open to suggestions, but DPS meters offer nothing but grief, and unfortunately that is the thruth.

[Saraide]

If SE put in open DPS meters in the game is the same if giving them permission to shame others and openly deny people from joining groups even if they do enough DPS to beat the content because 'speed run' and other ways of discriminations.

No it doesnt. Why do you think it does. If I harass someone over dying to aoes multiple times, what do you think will happen? I can see what they die to, that information is displayed on my screen. That gives me permission to harass them over it right??

[ForteNightshade]

If you can beat the dummies set out for it, you do enough, that means you do your rotations well enough to be able to beat whatever boss in thegame.

This is decidedly untrue because you're comparing a stationary target against moving parts. Just look up a video of Pandaemonium (P10S) and tell me again it's the same as simply hitting a striking dummy. Not to mention, said dummy in no way teaches you how to tank or heal. If that wasn't the final nail in the coffin, they've been notoriously tuned poorly. At one point, Bard and Dancer couldn't even clear their dummy due to their damage being heavily party reliant.

Stone, Sky, Star, while not entirely useless is a very poor metric to determine if a player is competent for Savage.

If SE put in open DPS meters in the game is the same if giving them permission to shame others and openly deny people from joining groups even if they do enough DPS to beat the content because 'speed run' and other ways of discriminations.

Let us first define what constitutes harassment. Say you have a Dragoon who is frequently collecting damage downs or outright dying. Is it "harassment" to call out their lack of DPS even if you're still comfortably within the enrage window? I doubt many would say it is, provided you weren't being a jerk. We'll go one better and say they don't make any mechanical mistakes but they're being out-damaged by the Prange or even a geared tank. Once again, is it "harassment" to point that out and ask, "Why is your damage so low, Dragoon?" Even if you'll still clear with them, it puts far more pressure on everyone else to pick up the slack and make up for their lackluster performance. Why is that okay?

As for the whole "speed runs" and such. I'm going to be blunt. You are not entitled to join someone's party simply because you want to. If I want to speed kill/log a specific fight and advertise it as such, why is that suddenly "discrimination" when I've made it openly apparent what my expectations are for the party I created? If you aren't looking for a speed kill, then simply find another party that suits your needs. Ironically, we already have these "discriminating" parties advertised as "barse runs". Guess what people who don't want to "barse" do? Find another party advertising weekly reclears and move on. It's really that simple.

That is why, they said they never will add such tools, it is even prohibited to openly use them from third party programs (apps) that is why, also the gamers do not get to dictate what the devs should put into their game, it is the other way around, they can be open to suggestions, but DPS meters offer nothing but grief, and unfortunately that is the thruth.

The reason it will never be added is simply due to player coddling. They don't want players knowing how widely their damage can swing against more skilled players because that may discourage them from doing the content. They want that freestyle Samurai thinking they're a top dog contributor and not someone getting out-DPSed by the Red Mage. DPS meters only offer "grief" if they go unsupervised. It isn't as though the harassment rules suddenly don't apply. Telling someone to say, uninstall because "omg you <insert expletive> suck" is still harassment regardless if a parser is involved. In fact, just last night a friend of mine was told to "kms" (kill myself) after calling out the tank for not using cooldowns in P9S. No parser was involved yet they still managed to go that far.

In reality, if they ever did allow DPS meters after the first month or so when the trash takes itself out because they can't help themselves, things would mostly level out provided GMs remained thorough and consistent.

[Themarvin]

This is decidedly untrue because you're comparing a stationary target against moving parts. Just look up a video of Pandaemonium (P10S) and SNIIIIP

Stone, Sky, Star, while not entirely useless is a very poor metric to determine if a player is competent for Savage.

I don't agree, you knowing the your numbers in the battle spot on grant you just as little oversight over the things... I don't buy the thing with the boss can move and the likes as an excuse, as you got all kinds of ways to keep your uptime needed... and those times it is out of reach, no one can hit them anyway... or you can't figure out how to position yourself just enough to be able to touch it with your hands.

1. You can only do the things by learningand actually doing the stuff, the first thing you need to do is to do the DPS check, which is the dummies, if you can beat them before the timer runs out = you do enough damage to be able to beat the content.

2. Now comes the boss, you need to learn how it behaves and what it does, and that is that... if you have done savage or ex. trials or whatever then you KNOW... that the bosses has times where you can't hurt them... meaning you need to time where you put your hardest hitting openers and when they go off CD again... and or if you should wait a second for doing the next hard hit onto the boss untill after he gets free again for a full burst... a DPS meter can not tell you that, nor a parser, you should be visible able to feel, see and when to do your big stuff and not when it is to late or you miss out doing alot of damage on the boss due to forced cutscene or special dodging events.

3. Learn the script of the boss, yes you can do that... if you kill it to some % to fast you may want to hold back on DPS because it will get unvulnerable or out of your harms way that you would just waste your CD and it beign Off when it returns.

4. Beat the boss on your terms.. in some situations it would actually seem like less DPS due to bosses off time in one phase and much higher DPS in the phase after... that can change a bit from the various jobs that some get to do more damage en eg. p1. and less in p2... while others do less in p1 compared to p2 all due to how the skills is lined up with time and the likes.

5. maximize your time hitting the boss, and with all the jumps and leaps various jobs has for close range, then that can be arranged as well as well as position neutrality for certain things the bosses do that make you unable to move into the perfect position for maximum damage.

Yes you can use a Stationary target to that, it is accounted for that it move, go into phases where you cant hurt it and more, it is all about being having as much uptime as possible (90-99%) and doing your rotations well
You don't need numbers to show you that, you should know your job well enough to know if you did enough... or if you missed the window.