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    It wouldn't make the game more fun, and it would make people more shitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    It wouldn't make the game more fun, and it would make people more shitty.
    Potentially. But then the ToS would still apply regardless, so those that would use it as an outlet to be an even worse individual certainly wouldn't be around long.

    Anything that would occur as a result of parsing being made official already does happen courtesy of third-party parsing. The only difference is that if they were to do it in-house and native to the game then they themselves would be able to moderate it, and it would give a basis for console players, and players that don't engage in third-party utilities to know how they are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Potentially. But then the ToS would still apply regardless, so those that would use it as an outlet to be an even worse individual certainly wouldn't be around long.
    So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?
    Why the hell would you get a permanent ban for telling someone they are underperforming ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Why the hell would you get a permanent ban for telling someone they are underperforming ?
    Because they want this game to cater to carebears
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisRedfield2 View Post
    Because they want this game to cater to carebears
    SE is well aware of the potential for abuse and misuse, as it has been elsewhere, so with that example in mind, the devs have chosen not to give players excuses for, or to enable, toxic behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Why the hell would you get a permanent ban for telling someone they are underperforming ?
    So, that's a "no" because you believe it is your job to complain to another player about numbers they can see themselves.

    So much for the argument that an Official Parser would be used for self-improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?
    sure if they went "GREY PARSER LMAO [FFLOGS LINK] SLUR SLUR SLUR"
    I'm being hyperbolic but I think most people wouldn't be cruel to someone just for underperforming in terms of DPS. You tend to get a more toxic attitude when someone constantly fucks up the same mech in a reclear party and then is shitty when called out on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?
    ... It was in reference to using an official and/or endorsed parser as a means of harassing other players. Since players are always sanctioned first and foremost for harassment.

    So yes, if you are using it as an outlet to harass then you should be banned - But that depends on how light or flexible your definition is on what constitutes as harassment.

    Is it harassment to tell the group that they are not on track for meeting an enrage or DPS check? - Is it harassment to tell another player that they could be doing more? - It's all about how you articulate the message. Encouraging another player to do more is not the same as telling another player "They are utter..... and should uninstall the game", or "Omg, you can't even get blue+ in normal/story content LOL"

    There is one thing that players across any spectrum need to understand... Parsing already exists, and it is already present in the game. It is present through third-party, which is arguably already more toxic than if they were to create or endorse something since the developers would then essentially have control over how the data are presented/presented to the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Potentially. But then the ToS would still apply regardless, so those that would use it as an outlet to be an even worse individual certainly wouldn't be around long.

    Anything that would occur as a result of parsing being made official already does happen courtesy of third-party parsing. The only difference is that if they were to do it in-house and native to the game then they themselves would be able to moderate it, and it would give a basis for console players, and players that don't engage in third-party utilities to know how they are doing.
    There's plenty of ways to be shitty without breaking the ToS. The ToS can't fix human behavior, but the game can avoid incentivizing bad behavior.
    As for third party plugins, there are ways to crack down on that if they really want to.
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