Would you like an in-game parser?

[TaleraRistain]

I can see this being abused pretty easily. If for instance your just running your regular expert roulette and the party sees that you are falling a little short of what top tier savage raiders are doing for DPS, then it could be decided that they want to remove you from the party even though you are still perfectly capable of clearing the roulette. This could also become pretty common place, since people tend to want to hold themselves as better than or as part of an elite group, and removing members from a party that they feel are not performing to their standards, no matter how viable it is in the content they are running, is one way of making them feel that way.

The main character of Twitter recently was someone who went and looked up the logs of people they were in expert roulette with and talked trash about them in party chat. They got rightfully roasted by the majority but there were a fair number in the XIV community who didn't see anything wrong with that mentality. Problem is, where can anyone let their hair down in that environment? A raider needs to worry about those numbers in harder content. But if they always have to keep their raid game face on, where do they and anyone else get a chance to relax and maybe derp here and there and be human? It should be in content where those numbers aren't as important but a official parser would bring an end to that because it would be SE endorsing that mentality throughout their game. I've gotten the impression from the topic when it comes up that that's the last thing they want to do. They know the tools are used for the harder content. They won't bust anyone over using them for improvement. But they don't want that to be what the game becomes about. Because there is some content where fun matters more.

[Saraide]

I can see this being abused pretty easily. If for instance your just running your regular expert roulette and the party sees that you are falling a little short of what top tier savage raiders are doing for DPS, then it could be decided that they want to remove you from the party even though you are still perfectly capable of clearing the roulette. This could also become pretty common place, since people tend to want to hold themselves as better than or as part of an elite group, and removing members from a party that they feel are not performing to their standards, no matter how viable it is in the content they are running, is one way of making them feel that way.

Please think this through. You have one of two situations:

Toxic elitist announces in chat they want to kick another person from duty finder because they do low dps. This will very quickly land them in GM jail.

Toxic elitist attempts to kick silently which is already possible in its entirety. Nothing is going to change to the current situation then.

[Hyperia]

Yoshi said no to parsers in every language the game is published in both oral and written form.

I bet he would rather shut down the game than offer parsers. This is a hill he would die on.

[Shurrikhan]

Yoshi said no to parsers in every language the game is published in both oral and written form.

I bet he would rather shut down the game than offer parsers. This is a hill he would die on.

He did the same thing regarding the ability to have glamours in PvP, among a dozen other things.

Tfw parsers are simply #17 in the list of the things he said could not ever and would not ever happen because he finally had the misfortune of informing himself.

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To be clear:

I don't think there's much benefit to an all-players-shown official version of ACT. ACT is rudimentary at best, with a decent chance of lacking so much context as to be misleading or at least needing several samples to get reliable information out of it where one would otherwise be enough if using a better metric (say, relative potency, instead of raw, crit/dhit-adjusted damage).

But an actually polished design and its accordant surroundings, deliberately and pretty comprehensively built to be a learning tool? That would absolutely be a boon for the game.

[VelKallor]

Tfw parsers are simply #17 in the list of the things he said could not ever and would not ever happen because he finally had the misfortune of informing himself.

Seeing the number of times we have seen trolls try to comb through peoples logs as a means to humiliate them, Id say YoshiPs stance is the correct one.

[Semirhage]

Seeing the number of times we have seen trolls try to comb through peoples logs as a means to humiliate them, Id say YoshiPs stance is the correct one.

So instead we should have people confidently asserting things they know nothing about, and when we bring actual receipts that prove that's not true, it becomes about "mean harassment" instead of...being wrong about things.

Toxic casuals want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to never improve, never learn anything, never do difficult content. and also be seen as luminaries who should definitely be listened to as authorities without question.

It's not about the numbers. It's about projecting insecurity. Plain and simple.

[Lieri]

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[VelKallor]

So instead we should have people confidently asserting things they know nothing about, and when we bring actual receipts that prove that's not true, it becomes about "mean harassment" instead of...being wrong about things.

I know enough about parser culture and its accompanying behaviour to know we dont want it here. One does not have to eat rat droppings to know you dont want them on the dinner table.

Toxic casuals want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to never improve, never learn anything, never do difficult content. and also be seen as luminaries who should definitely be listened to as authorities without question.

Or you have veterans like me that are simply not interested in climbing back on that merry go round any longer. I am surprised that you dont realise that after a while, it gets to the point where it doesnt appeal to you any longer, and where you decide you want to do what interests YOU and no one else. I dont see why anyone has an issue with players deciding how they want, and do not want to spend their time on.

You'd actually die of shock if you ever knew how many like me there are.. No more schedules, no more multiple wipes for hour after hour, no more loot or FC drama, log and log off when it suits YOU.

Never learn anything? You learn every day new things every day. This is...news?

"You should WANT to do HARD content, you should WANT to raid you should WANT to "challenge yourself".

Nope. I should want to do whatever i like.

But its okay. You're young.

You'll learn the hard way that perspectives, priorities change as you get older, and as that time goes, all of a sudden that hamster wheel of raid, get gear, wait till new tier, rinse wash repeat, starts to pale a little. All of sudden one day they will say " Be here at 6pm" and you will feel tired, worn out, fed up..you've already worked a long hard shift, had to cover for others, or done back to back shifts for over a week and all you want is to actually relax. Or sleep.

Or sit back with family you may one day have, accepting that spending time with them is far more important than pixels in a video game. If you ever marry and have children, trust me, what is important to you, essential, will take a massive U turn. You will blink and suddenly realise the last two weeks have vanished into thin air, wondering where the time went. But the kids need help with homework, youve come home late from work, absolutely worn out, you will remember that "Oh yeah we are raiding tonight".

No two guesses which will matter more to you, either. One is a computer game..the other is your actual life and those around you.

Remember:

Thats all this is, mate. A video game.

Thats all it is ......all it will ever be.

No need to "validate who you are" through saying "I did it when it was HARD"...Ive met challenges you will never know ( at least dear God, I hope you never do. You dont want those memories. Trust me..you dont. ). In all your peregrinations and thundering proclamations, that small fact seems to have escaped your notice.

You are LITERALLY having a conniption fit over what others do in a video game. Because they wont do what YOU want.

t's not about the numbers. It's about projecting insecurity. Plain and simple.

More about the blatant misuse and abuse of a tool, that is supposedly " for your own improvement" yet that same tool is used to belittle, harass and scream abuse at others. Said misuse is rampant in a parser culture, quite frankly, that YoshiP doesnt want that kind of attitude here comes as no surprise.

I happen to agree with him.

[Miracle_Diva]

People: we want a tool to help us improve in the game we enjoy playing.
VelKanor: brings up irrelevant irl experiences and feelings that have nothing to do with the topic.

Also, what new have you learnt today?
Also, please show examples of people harassing others over damage in savage/ex content.

Oh wait, you don't do that content.

[Shinkuno]

People: we want a tool to help us improve in the game we enjoy playing.
VelKanor: brings up irrelevant irl experiences and feelings that have nothing to do with the topic.

Also, what new have you learnt today?
Also, please show examples of people harassing others over damage in savage/ex content.

Oh wait, you don't do that content.

I have the feeling VelKallor would also be one of the fanatics that defended the lack of jumping in 1.0. Everything thats not already in the game is bad and not needed cause they think the developers are gods.