Would you like an in-game parser?

[Taika]

I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night being this a casual content game, their has to be a middle ground were people that want too can work up to a pro dps parser wont fix everything but can be a good tool.

The issue is, many people who are playing poorly don't know that. They think they're using a rotation which makes sense, and they aren't making many mistakes, but their DPS can still be 1k below the other DDs in the party. How do you fix this without implementing a parser?

[Zeonsilt]

I always chuckle when I see a minimum 330 Lakshmi.

Maybe they want some speedruns/faster clear time. ilvl330 requirement is already pretty low, it's not 340.
If people want things to die faster, they put higher ilvl requirement for "x" duty.

[Tridus]

Maybe they want some speedruns/faster clear time. ilvl330 requirement is already pretty low, it's not 340.
If people want things to die faster, they put higher ilvl requirement for "x" duty.

330 is pretty high for something that drops 320 gear, though.

The main reason I brought it up is for what you said: they're doing it because they want higher DPS. It's simply a less accurate way of doing that than being able to measure actual DPS is, so it winds up cutting off someone in 325 who has mastered their rotation but allows someone in 330 who hasn't. I'm having a hard time understanding why the anti-parser crowd considers that *better*.

[LyraKuroneko]

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Fine. Take it however you want then. Seems pointless to argue.
I don't want a parser in this game. The end.

[Zeonsilt]

330 is pretty high for something that drops 320 gear, though.

Honestly, at this point most people can easily collect full 330 Creation gear.
I haven't played for 4 months(since mid-august,came back like a week ago) and my BRD/MCH is at ilvl 336 from that time.
TL;DR ilvl 330 is "low" for your "main" class.
Plus there Ivalice, one free ilvl330 + one 340 upgrade every week.

It's simply a less accurate way of doing that than being able to measure actual DPS is, so it winds up cutting off someone in 325 who has mastered their rotation but allows someone in 330 who hasn't. I'm having a hard time understanding why the anti-parser crowd considers that *better*.

This, actually, is not parser-related and exist because there's "no official parser".
People like to play it safe, so they put a high ilvl requirement, so that they'l get mostly people, who "main" that class. Because if you "main" X class, you should be far higher in ilvl, than 330, even if you just collect Creation gear + Ivalice + those upgrades to 340. (aka doing zero Savages)

p.s. I also got 4-5 340 upgrades items from Hunts. Forgot about those.

[Taika]

I always chuckle when I see a minimum 330 Lakshmi.

I've had such a difficult time getting in to the lower Savage floors to gear new jobs. I've had i320 gear on healers and tanks and no one is accepting me in even OS1! Meanwhile I have cleared whole Savage and am progressing in Ultimate on my main job. But whatevs, I guess I'm just not good enough for them.

[HyoMinPark]

Maybe they want some speedruns/faster clear time. ilvl330 requirement is already pretty low, it's not 340.
If people want things to die faster, they put higher ilvl requirement for "x" duty.

Well, for the i340, unless you have cleared V3S, you can’t be full i340, because your weapon will either be the i330 Lost Allagan or the i335 Shinryu weapon (that is, until they allow the Rabanastre coin to be traded in for the Roborant which will probably happen in the patch they’re doing this coming Tuesday). If people are putting up Susano parties with a minimum requirement of i340, they’re dumb. I’m sorry, not going to sugarcoat that.

Regardless, Tridus was just using it to show that discrimination already occurs in this game, and we don’t have a sanctioned parser. She was saying she can’t understand why anti-parser people think it’s okay for people to use PF for discrimination/why the anti-parser crowd conveniently ignore that kind of discrimination, but then get uppity about parsers and discrimination. Discrimination happens regardless.

All that being said, I’ve seen people in full 320 do a far better job than someone in 340 DPS-wise, so the ilevel requirement for “better DPS” or for “things to die faster” isn’t exactly going to give people what they want when they set ilvls so high. Though, I do get amused when I see Shinryu learning parties for ilvl 330 or higher. Learning parties, mind you. Not farms. I don’t care what a person’s ilevel is, so long as they pull their own weight. That’s all I want in a PUG group.

[Zeonsilt]

If people are putting up Susano parties with a minimum requirement of i340, they’re dumb. I’m sorry, not going to sugarcoat that.

Haven't seen any of those, though.
Pretty much all parties locked at 330 or 335 these days(Chaos DT).
It is indeed dumb to make it "340 only", but "330" is pretty "meh" at this point, it's already December. Even Ivalice was released in October.

All that being said, I’ve seen people in full 320 do a far better job than someone in 340 DPS-wise, so the ilevel requirement for “better DPS” or for “things to die faster” isn’t exactly going to give people what they want when they set ilvls so high.

It's impossible to know about that until the actual combat part starts (and only if you parse). Unless you know them personally or that person got some FF logs available on another class.
I've seen a lot of those too.

Imagine you got a full 320 party, you will not know who underperform in that one and the only way to know that is "to parse".
Otherwise, it's "ggthxbye" and time to create another PF with different people. That's why people like to play it "safe".

p.s. Not too many people parse in FF XIV, especially when it's "PC exclusive" feature.

[Miste]

I've had such a difficult time getting in to the lower Savage floors to gear new jobs. I've had i320 gear on healers and tanks and no one is accepting me in even OS1! Meanwhile I have cleared whole Savage and am progressing in Ultimate on my main job. But whatevs, I guess I'm just not good enough for them.

I have the same problem on my alt xD

Her gear is a bit weak so I have a hard time getting into groups for stuff. I cleared Shinryu EX on her but all the farms ask for item level higher than I have, but I understand why, so I don't quibble. I was gonna try to get weapon from him, but eh she is just an alt so I don't care much. O1S and O2S same thing, usually the item level is set higher than I have on her, sometimes they let me join if I send a tell though.



Anyway time to go put up a PF for Susano EX i340.......

If people are putting up Susano parties with a minimum requirement of i340, they’re dumb. I’m sorry, not going to sugarcoat that.

Shoot.....

OH EM GEE Hyomin! Way to ruin my day! xD

Now what will I do! Gosh darnit.

[Kyuuen]

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And on the same side of that coin you also can't disprove it either. You can say the burden of proof lies with the claimant; which is true, but when people claim there's not enough proof of harassment, it is also demonstrably false, as absence of proof does not equate proof of absence. The only side that can provide any sort of factual numbers for or against either case is the XIV team. But utilizing simple observations of complaints in the mistreatment of certain features; such as the Party Finder and Mentor channels, that turn up on the forums is justification for concern.

Those are feature's meant for making parties and people searching for help respectively. And yet seem to be points of contention, vitriol, and at times harassment if we follow some of the forum complaints. It's not much of a stretch to think or even make claims that a group wide parser will be mistreated. A good tool in the hands of those that know what it's for and how to handle the information, a weapon in the hands of others that don't, and it's not worth the chance of alienating parts of the community moreso than what it is.

A personal parser; which can still go sideways, is better than no parser. A group wide parser is inviting the potential for a lot of unneeded strife.