Would you like an in-game parser?

[akaneakki]

I know people want to maximize their dps why I'm for personnel parsers, but I don't expect others overly worry to much on maximize, I much more like them to have more in the mid to were can dodge and have a decent roatation doesn't need to be perfect but not retarded aither.

I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time, if everyone had a mentality of doing ''decent rotation'' put those players in the same group and the boss wont die. It's how it works with pugs, you can put 3 very good players while 1 being 1k to 1.5k behind the rest and still clear it, but you put that 1 guy with the same dps in another group, it wont ring the same bell.

[odintius]

I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time, if everyone had a mentality of doing ''decent rotation'' put those players in the same group and the boss wont die. It's how it works with pugs, you can put 3 very good players while 1 being 1k to 1.5k behind the rest and still clear it, but you put that 1 guy with the same dps in another group, it wont ring the same bell.

I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night being this a casual content game, their has to be a middle ground were people that want too can work up to a pro dps parser wont fix everything but can be a good tool. The game core in teaching isn't helping it's also flawed as people have mention I find the difficult curve to this game is from easy to hard imo their need to be a mid core content to maybe nudge people into doing better but meh their many problem to the issue.

[Taika]

I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night being this a casual content game, their has to be a middle ground were people that want too can work up to a pro dps parser wont fix everything but can be a good tool.

The issue is, many people who are playing poorly don't know that. They think they're using a rotation which makes sense, and they aren't making many mistakes, but their DPS can still be 1k below the other DDs in the party. How do you fix this without implementing a parser?

[odintius]

The issue is, many people who are playing poorly don't know that. They think they're using a rotation which makes sense, and they aren't making many mistakes, but their DPS can still be 1k below the other DDs in the party. How do you fix this without implementing a parser?

Probably because they don't care as long as they beat it if not they keep trying or give up we should ask the jp community how they do it because from what I've seen most play on ps4 or has way better community compare to us as a culture. For NA community even if paser was fully implemented it i still see having the problems, sure the people who try will use it and improve but honestly for how the game design and target players are I have my doubts this will change anything either.

[Taika]

Probably because they don't care as long as they beat it if not they keep trying or give up we should ask the jp community how they do it because from what I've seen most play on ps4 or has way better community compare to us as a culture. For NA community even if paser was fully implemented it i still see having the problems, sure the people who try will use it and improve but honestly for how the game design and target players are I have my doubts this will change anything either.

Last time I did OS4 with a pug I had a DD who was doing 3600 DPS. They did 0 mechanic mistakes and had 0 deaths. We beat the fight, but if everyone would have been playing like they did, we would not have been able to beat the fight. Now some of us were performing much higher and we were able to carry them through. Does that seem fair to you? Because it sure doesn't for me. We beat the fight yes, but they weren't performing well enough to be able to beat the fight (without others working extra hard).

And what if we would have had more people playing at that level and we wouldn't have had a parser, what would you suggest we would have done then? Just disband the whole group because we wouldn't have been able to figure out where the issue was?

Also, there are countless JP parse logs uploaded online just like for NA and EU players.

Edit: For the record, I also don't care about anyone's DPS or performance as long as they're performing well enough to be able to beat the content they've signed up for without forcing others to carry them (as long as they're doing enough DPS to meet enrage requirements, for example, when it's a clear or farm party, not practice). But there are many, many players who are not capable of this, and not letting them or their party know the fact is not helping anyone in any way.

[odintius]

Last time I did OS4 with a pug I had a DD who was doing 3600 DPS. They did 0 mechanic mistakes and had 0 deaths. We beat the fight, but if everyone would have been playing like they did, we would not have been able to beat the fight. Now some of us were performing much higher and we were able to carry them through. Does that seem fair to you? Because it sure doesn't for me. We beat the fight yes, but they weren't performing well enough to be able to beat the fight (without others working extra hard).

What you feel isn't going to change how a NA player plays with or without a paser fair or not either find a group that can role with, move to a jp server, kick them or deal with it! If a paser does come those players will have to deal with it as well imo /shrug so jp do have a better culture it would seem need to learn the language

[Taika]

What you feel isn't going to change how a NA player plays with or without a paser fair or not either find a group that can role with, move to a jp server, kick them or deal with it! If a paser does come those players will have to deal with it as well imo /shrug so jp do have a better culture it would seem need to learn the language

You didn't answer my questions. Also, to my knowledge (from what I've read from these forums, no personal experience), JP servers have a much stronger DF/RF culture: they expect you to know the fight and perform well enough when you're queueing for Duty Finder or Raid Finder, and they reserve Party Finder for practice. The standard for expectations seems to be actually much higher on JP than EU/NA servers, which I guess is why they also tend to have higher clear rates for content. Although parsers are heavily utilised on all three server groups.

[akaneakki]

I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night

Is it bad when a fresh player from 2 monts ago perform better than a player who played for 3 years? Those guy straight up refuse to get better. Yes even if a parser was official they still and mostlikely not improve. But they can see how much they are doing compare to the rest and hopefully they improve.