Would you like an in-game parser?

[akaneakki]

Well for mnk if you read what tornado kick does and greased lighting stacks are gone after use, I didn't need a paser to come to the conclusion when it's best time to use it.

Ofc you don't but you have to use a parser to know: Why did my dps increase in this fight? If not, why did I do less? Was it less critt? bad rotation? Bad hold cds etc? Good popping cds etc? If you do a fight and lets say you don't run a parser, someone ask if you did good dps and you are like hey, I did more crit so I did more, but in reality you might done less because of error of rotations.

And I will agree with some people here, a parser being official on this game, won't make players better, but at least it will give them awarness that they aren't as good as they thought they did. Some people will react posetive to it, by seing those ''numbers'' and data and see what they are doing wrong or better than others. I can honestly not count how many times I've went on FFlogs to check other BLM's rotations to help my friends rotation. There are times I've done 9 min v1s fights with pugs and only seen NIN do 3 trick attack instead of 8 -9. The parser gives you info on that too and many ignore that because they all think we say ''blabla numbers'' It's not the case really, parser is much more than just numbers.

Keep in mind, those people who say parser will be a huge toxic fest if it ever happens, well ever looked how currently players are? There are far more toxic players without one. In fact there are even people who calls people bad yet they are the worse ones.

[LyraKuroneko]

I think you misunderstood. My post isn't about parsing.

It was just in reply to their consistent argument that "casual content is fine and I never see any issues in my runs" so I explained my experience.

Partly misunderstood, my bad.

[odintius]

And I will agree with some people here, a parser being official on this game, won't make players better, but at least it will give them awarness that they aren't as good as they thought they did.

Honestly for me once I got the fight pattern down I know what to expect from the fight that usually when I know I've gotten better at the fight because gl is up allot more often and I'll know when I can weave in my cool downs at certain points in the fight by bosses hp%/mechanics all without the paser would I like to see my result sure why not.

I know people want to maximize their dps why I'm for personnel parsers, but I don't expect others overly worry to much on maximize, I much more like them to have more in the mid to were can dodge and have a decent roatation doesn't need to be perfect but not retarded aither.

[HyoMinPark]

No i didn't mean it that way, by easy i was thinking as like we can actually do for RMT. We can report it, but it's by a long formular, and since there is a lot of person to report for their trash behavior it's long. So not easy imo.

As for the parser in itself, i don't give a damn. Anyone can use it for all i care but the thing is the discrimination that almost always goes with it. And this is the reason i don't want one, it's bad enough as it is.

Discrimination comes with everything; it's not exclusive to parsing. To blame the tool for people using it to be a twat is wrong.

A good example is Party Finder: I can make a ShinEx farm stating "Miqo'te only" or "ilvl 340 only" and that's effectively discriminating and excluding any and all who aren't either Miqo'te or ilvl 340. Should we get rid of Party Finder because of the "discrimination potential" it has? No. You don't blame the tool for the actions of an individual.

Whether you realize it or not, you're discriminating against parser users by insinuating that people who parse automatically discriminate. Also, your claims of parser discrimination are purely anecdotal, unless you have quantitative evidence in the form of research and numbers to back it up. Anecdote does not constitute fact.

You can say that parser discrimination is bad as much as you want. I can counter with "how so because I've only seen one instance of harassment via parser in my two years of playing". They're both anecdotes and they prove nothing.

[LyraKuroneko]

You read only half of it, as said before i never said they ALL do discrimation using a parser. Just saying that a lot do. And i'm against encouraging that. I don't need exemple. It would be pointless, if you ask for exemple, next you can also say they're made up. Lastly i wouldn't talk about it if only seen once, if that were the case i would only have thought that the person was an idiot and whatever.

[Tridus]

You read only half of it, as said before i never said they ALL do discrimation using a parser. Just saying that a lot do. And i'm against encouraging that. I don't need exemple. It would be pointless, if you ask for exemple, next you can also say they're made up. Lastly i wouldn't talk about it if only seen once, if that were the case i would only have thought that the person was an idiot and whatever.

People discriminate on item level all the time in Party Finder, which is a less accurate way to accomplish the same thing: making sure you have enough DPS to beat the enrage. I always chuckle when I see a minimum 330 Lakshmi.

[LyraKuroneko]

People discriminate on item level all the time in Party Finder, which is a less accurate way to accomplish the same thing: making sure you have enough DPS to beat the enrage. I always chuckle when I see a minimum 330 Lakshmi.

They sure are funny. On this case though, they won't be a pain on your party ^^

[akaneakki]

I know people want to maximize their dps why I'm for personnel parsers, but I don't expect others overly worry to much on maximize, I much more like them to have more in the mid to were can dodge and have a decent roatation doesn't need to be perfect but not retarded aither.

I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time, if everyone had a mentality of doing ''decent rotation'' put those players in the same group and the boss wont die. It's how it works with pugs, you can put 3 very good players while 1 being 1k to 1.5k behind the rest and still clear it, but you put that 1 guy with the same dps in another group, it wont ring the same bell.

[HyoMinPark]

You read only half of it, as said before i never said they ALL do discrimation using a parser. Just saying that a lot do. And i'm against encouraging that. I don't need exemple. It would be pointless, if you ask for exemple, next you can also say they're made up. Lastly i wouldn't talk about it if only seen once, if that were the case i would only have thought that the person was an idiot and whatever.

I read your entire post, but only responded to the second paragraph; that’s not me “reading only half of it”.

You’re using anecdotes and trying to pass them off as factual. You are saying you see harassment and that it is “bad enough as it is” (the rate of harassment), but you are using anecdotes as a basis, and to fuel that argument. Just as I use anecdotes when I counter and say, “no, it is not as bad as you think it is”. The anecdotes prove nothing, and therefore cannot be used as a logical/factual basis for why parsers should or should not be allowed. Again, don’t blame the tool because someone uses it in the wrong way, and that is what it seems like you are doing.

The party finder example was just an example of how players already “discriminate” in this game by setting PF limitations. It isn’t a made-up example. I also never asked you to provide any “examples”—I asked you to prove with quantitative, hard numbers that harassment is pervasive. You can’t argue with numbers, so if you did prove them and they were solid, then I would concede.

The only thing I’m saying are “made up” are these “statistics” people have been posting in this thread and trying to pass them off as “hard facts” as to why parsers should not be implemented. See the individual that said “for every one person using a parser for ‘good’, there are three others using it to be tools” a few pages back, and then resorted to accusing any and all who disagreed with them of “thumbs up circle jerking” (whatever the hell that is). There is no factual basis behind that statistic—it’s as made-up as this one: 75% of all statistics are all made up. I’m not saying that your personal experiences are “made up” or not true, but that they are anecdotal. And anecdotes =/= facts. That’s why they aren’t used in any sort of solid arguments and/or debates, because they are personal and skewed, not objective.




Discrimination will exist with a parser or without a parser. There’s no way around it.

[odintius]

I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time, if everyone had a mentality of doing ''decent rotation'' put those players in the same group and the boss wont die. It's how it works with pugs, you can put 3 very good players while 1 being 1k to 1.5k behind the rest and still clear it, but you put that 1 guy with the same dps in another group, it wont ring the same bell.

I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night being this a casual content game, their has to be a middle ground were people that want too can work up to a pro dps parser wont fix everything but can be a good tool. The game core in teaching isn't helping it's also flawed as people have mention I find the difficult curve to this game is from easy to hard imo their need to be a mid core content to maybe nudge people into doing better but meh their many problem to the issue.