Would you like an in-game parser?

[Tridus]

Another aspect I didn't touch upon is job rotation. Players are never taught how basic openers work. Hence why you see so many Monks using Tornado Kick on CD. Without a parse, they likely have no idea it's actually hurting their damage.

Exactly. How would they? The game conceals that information despite it being fairly important.

"Google the proper rotation as discovered by people using third party tools" shouldn't be the proper path to getting your DPS rotation right, but it's not like the game gives you a viable alternative.

[LyraKuroneko]

Exactly. How would they? The game conceals that information despite it being fairly important.

"Google the proper rotation as discovered by people using third party tools" shouldn't be the proper path to getting your DPS rotation right, but it's not like the game gives you a viable alternative.

True. They made novice instance to learn basics, but nothing about that. It could be add in here. Or in job quests, i don't know.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm against parser in game. Already enough cancerous player with the way it is now.
Some will say that you don't need a parser to have this type of player and it's true but you can't report those people easly so...

It's far easier to report a non-parsing individual for being a twat than a person who is parsing, if you're insinuating that it's the opposite. A lot of people who parse rarely make it known they're doing so unless they're in a static setting where people won't go off the deep end and report them. There was literally an individual going around reporting PFs that mentioned "parse runs" of Omega Savage on Aether for a while. How vindictive do you have to be to report "parse runs", especially if you have zero ambitions to actually join in on the PF?

This thread alone has shown that anti-parser individuals can be just as "cancerous" as people who parse. How many have demanded that any and all who parse be banned on the spot? My personal favorite was the individual who called us all "parsetards". But they weren't being toxic or anything.....

[odintius]

Well for mnk if you read what tornado kick does and greased lighting stacks are gone after use, I didn't need a paser to come to the conclusion when it's best time to use it. I knew I wasted more time building my gl back up unless pb is up but still don't waste pb on tk it would be a net lost on dps and only really use tk for when boss is about to be unable to hit for a long period or when its about to die. /Shurg I wouldn't mind a personnel paser though but something by just reading skills would also benefit as well.

[Miste]

Oh come on, you're exaggerating to heck. I'm on the same data center as you and I do my runs mostly solo, and I never see this, period. And i probably do more overall than you

I'm on your Data Center and I have been on it for 4 years.

I can safely say I have highly likely done more content than you in DF and PF considering the amount of achievements and farming I have done (I collect mounts) and I've leveled an alt.

I have seen a lot of bad runs and a lot of players who are not very good at this game...and I'm being nice on my description. I am not taking into account obviously new players since that obviously wouldn't be fair, everyone was new at one point and didn't understand things etc....I am talking about people with a lot of jobs leveled not new to the content etc and basically don't seem to understand at all how the game works despite how much time they've spent playing it.

I've seen Nidhogg trial runs where there was no new player message and still someone mentions "if you see the big orange circle with the down arrow everyone stack" for his last phase or any other description reminding of that mechanic, and yet we get there and the person who gets the mark runs away with it and dies. I've seen that many many times actually. I've seen people with multiple jobs leveled who don't seem to understand the stack mechanics in a lot of fights even though it is prominent throughout the entire game. They get marked and run away and die with it.

Seen a tank in Bardam's Mettle where I just ended up leaving because they had multiple jobs leveled and are level 66, not new, and couldn't hold hate on anything at all so the healer was dying and we wiped on every pull. Seen another tank in Dusk Vigil who had PLD at 65 and DRK at 70 and didn't know how to maintain aggro. Neither of those players were new.

I can't count how many times I've seen people in Bismarck hitting the Corona from the island and not getting on his back even though no one is new. They sit there and do 0 damage and don't even realize it. Obliviousness is rampant in this game in my experience. I also can't count how many times people have said "you have to get on his back to hit the Corona otherwise you do 0 damage", yet the next time it happens there are still 2 people on the island still trying to DPS him and doing nothing. I've actually seen the island break back in HW because 2 BRD's and a SMN wouldn't get on his back and no matter how many times people said "get on his back" to the point of spamming the entire chat box with it they still wouldn't get on and after we wiped two of them finally said "oh sorry I didn't see" and they WEREN'T NEW. Not to mention when we tried again the two BRD's were still not getting on his back even after all of that.

I could go on, but I'll be here typing for hours on end explaining all of the issues I've seen. People rarely listen to help in my experience too and they get defensive if you dare say anything, either that or as I said in another thread you can only tell someone so many times to put the square peg into the square hole and yet they keep trying to put it into the triangle hole. It ends up being a lost cause sometimes.

So it seems your experience is not the same as mine. Also when it comes to noticing mistakes you kind of have to know a lot about the fight mechanics and/or the jobs being played to pick up on some of them. I am not saying you aren't knowledgeable since this is just a general statement, but some people might not know things are being done incorrectly due to simple ignorance of the mechanic or job. For example, like if you had a BRD who never used Straight Shot for the buff. If you never touched BRD and never knew what Straight Shot was how would you know they were playing incorrectly?

So some people might be like "everyone in my runs are fine and I don't see people making mistakes on mechanics or their jobs", but they may not have the knowledge to understand what mistakes were made. Just because no one died for example doesn't mean people didn't fail mechanics and even if someone dies some people might not understand the "why" behind it.

[LyraKuroneko]

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No i didn't mean it that way, by easy i was thinking as like we can actually do for RMT. We can report it, but it's by a long formular, and since there is a lot of person to report for their trash behavior it's long. So not easy imo.

As for the parser in itself, i don't give a damn. Anyone can use it for all i care but the thing is the discrimination that almost always goes with it. And this is the reason i don't want one, it's bad enough as it is.

[LyraKuroneko]

*snip*

A parser wouldn't change anything sadly, if only it did... Some people are just like that, they are just not listning as they don't want to. Encountered the same problem as well tons of time too.
And it's not getting better from what i see or i'm just unlucky enough to see more of them.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

So some people might be like "everyone in my runs are fine and I don't see people making mistakes on mechanics or their jobs", but they may not have the knowledge to understand what mistakes were made.

A little off topic, but can I just say this has been a number one source of frustration to me as a PvPer since 3.5? To a degree I fault players for the dismissive view of PvP as content that doesn't require teamwork and effort, but also SE for lack of any real follow through to teach or help players learn what they need to beyond the most basic rundown in patch notes. I don't want to make a narrative of it, but where most of the PvE side of the game allows mimimal effort to bear reward, the same just doesn't fly in PvP, and as a result, many are put off by it or hesitant to try besides.

Sorry for the tangent. On topic: I just no longer have any real opinion on parsing in game. I can see the ups and downs of both sides, and really no longer lean either way.

[Zarabeth]

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If you are on pc you can get ACT and use it to see your own information already. Just don't tell anyone you are using it and you will be fine. There are also striking dummies and they aren't perfect but you can get a good idea of how much damage each spell/skill/rotation can do. Then, while playing, figure out how they work in fights. It's been stated many times that there will never be an in game parser but ti's still possible to make do with what we have now.

[Miste]

A parser wouldn't change anything sadly

I think you misunderstood. My post isn't about parsing.

It was just in reply to their consistent argument that "casual content is fine and I never see any issues in my runs" so I explained my experience.