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    Well for mnk if you read what tornado kick does and greased lighting stacks are gone after use, I didn't need a paser to come to the conclusion when it's best time to use it. I knew I wasted more time building my gl back up unless pb is up but still don't waste pb on tk it would be a net lost on dps and only really use tk for when boss is about to be unable to hit for a long period or when its about to die. /Shurg I wouldn't mind a personnel paser though but something by just reading skills would also benefit as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odintius View Post
    Well for mnk if you read what tornado kick does and greased lighting stacks are gone after use, I didn't need a paser to come to the conclusion when it's best time to use it.
    Ofc you don't but you have to use a parser to know: Why did my dps increase in this fight? If not, why did I do less? Was it less critt? bad rotation? Bad hold cds etc? Good popping cds etc? If you do a fight and lets say you don't run a parser, someone ask if you did good dps and you are like hey, I did more crit so I did more, but in reality you might done less because of error of rotations.

    And I will agree with some people here, a parser being official on this game, won't make players better, but at least it will give them awarness that they aren't as good as they thought they did. Some people will react posetive to it, by seing those ''numbers'' and data and see what they are doing wrong or better than others. I can honestly not count how many times I've went on FFlogs to check other BLM's rotations to help my friends rotation. There are times I've done 9 min v1s fights with pugs and only seen NIN do 3 trick attack instead of 8 -9. The parser gives you info on that too and many ignore that because they all think we say ''blabla numbers'' It's not the case really, parser is much more than just numbers.

    Keep in mind, those people who say parser will be a huge toxic fest if it ever happens, well ever looked how currently players are? There are far more toxic players without one. In fact there are even people who calls people bad yet they are the worse ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    And I will agree with some people here, a parser being official on this game, won't make players better, but at least it will give them awarness that they aren't as good as they thought they did.
    Honestly for me once I got the fight pattern down I know what to expect from the fight that usually when I know I've gotten better at the fight because gl is up allot more often and I'll know when I can weave in my cool downs at certain points in the fight by bosses hp%/mechanics all without the paser would I like to see my result sure why not.

    I know people want to maximize their dps why I'm for personnel parsers, but I don't expect others overly worry to much on maximize, I much more like them to have more in the mid to were can dodge and have a decent roatation doesn't need to be perfect but not retarded aither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odintius View Post
    I know people want to maximize their dps why I'm for personnel parsers, but I don't expect others overly worry to much on maximize, I much more like them to have more in the mid to were can dodge and have a decent roatation doesn't need to be perfect but not retarded aither.
    I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time, if everyone had a mentality of doing ''decent rotation'' put those players in the same group and the boss wont die. It's how it works with pugs, you can put 3 very good players while 1 being 1k to 1.5k behind the rest and still clear it, but you put that 1 guy with the same dps in another group, it wont ring the same bell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time, if everyone had a mentality of doing ''decent rotation'' put those players in the same group and the boss wont die. It's how it works with pugs, you can put 3 very good players while 1 being 1k to 1.5k behind the rest and still clear it, but you put that 1 guy with the same dps in another group, it wont ring the same bell.
    I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night being this a casual content game, their has to be a middle ground were people that want too can work up to a pro dps parser wont fix everything but can be a good tool. The game core in teaching isn't helping it's also flawed as people have mention I find the difficult curve to this game is from easy to hard imo their need to be a mid core content to maybe nudge people into doing better but meh their many problem to the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odintius View Post
    I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night being this a casual content game, their has to be a middle ground were people that want too can work up to a pro dps parser wont fix everything but can be a good tool.
    The issue is, many people who are playing poorly don't know that. They think they're using a rotation which makes sense, and they aren't making many mistakes, but their DPS can still be 1k below the other DDs in the party. How do you fix this without implementing a parser?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    The issue is, many people who are playing poorly don't know that. They think they're using a rotation which makes sense, and they aren't making many mistakes, but their DPS can still be 1k below the other DDs in the party. How do you fix this without implementing a parser?
    Probably because they don't care as long as they beat it if not they keep trying or give up we should ask the jp community how they do it because from what I've seen most play on ps4 or has way better community compare to us as a culture. For NA community even if paser was fully implemented it i still see having the problems, sure the people who try will use it and improve but honestly for how the game design and target players are I have my doubts this will change anything either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odintius View Post
    I can understand that but going from a poor player to straight up pro isn't going to happen over night
    Is it bad when a fresh player from 2 monts ago perform better than a player who played for 3 years? Those guy straight up refuse to get better. Yes even if a parser was official they still and mostlikely not improve. But they can see how much they are doing compare to the rest and hopefully they improve.
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