Would you like an in-game parser?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools. Either to stroke their own ePeen, by being condescending pricks tp attack those they deem inferior, or simply to try and segregate themselves from the "baddies". There are enough systems in the game for people to use in order to be jerks to their fellow player, we really dont need to try and put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.

A personal parser that you alone can see is fine, one that is essentially used to see other peoples parses is a recipe for abuse. Though no one really wants a personal parser but a small minority, the rest want public parsers so they can ostracize the unworthy under the guise of "helpful tool".

If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, I've been in multiple Shinryu and a few Savage pugs with it being made apparent they're parsing yet not a single "condescending" remark. In fact, I more often find people take offense when told they aren't performing well regardless of the tone used. Look at the number of self admitted casual players in this thread generalizing all raiders who parse as toxic or advocating they should be banned instantly. Is it because all raiders are toxic or perhaps they're nervous about being held accountable?

And a personal parse won't accomplish anything. People we just make PFs demanding you post your numbers in chat.

[Canopia]

You have no proof to back up your arguments. Therefore, they’re either made-up (like your statistics) or anecdotal, which also cannot constitute as fact.

neither do they nor do you, but instead of posting "real statistics" theyd rather just insinuate lies. which is meanie poopie head level arguments meant to discredit rather than have any meaningful discourse.

[Oscura]

Dont see a counter argument, unless you think making a "meanie poopie head" level comment at me is a "counter argument"

I don't have to counter argue someone figuratively asspulling a, "for every one person using a parser as its intended, three people will be mean with it," statistic.

Counter-arguing something someone literally made up for their argument is a huge waste of time.

[Canopia]

If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, I've been in multiple Shinryu and a few Savage pugs with it being made apparent they're parsing yet not a single "condescending" remark. In fact, I more often find people take offense when told they aren't performing well regardless of the tone used. Look at the number of self admitted casual players in this thread generalizing all raiders who parse as toxic or advocating they should be banned instantly. Is it because all raiders are toxic or perhaps they're nervous about being held accountable?

And a personal parse won't accomplish anything. People we just make PFs demanding you post your numbers in chat.

Im not generalizing, I did say there were some who used it in a constructive manner but there are more than use it for nonconstructive purposes. Also your point at the bottom just strengthens the "casual players" arguments against parsing than any of the people advocating for them.

Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing

[HyoMinPark]

neither do they nor do you, but instead of posting "real statistics" theyd rather just insinuate lies. which is meanie poopie head level arguments meant to discredit rather than have any meaningful discourse.

Your made-up statistics have no meaningful discourse, and your post is insinuating lies.

I won’t say that parser harassment doesn’t occur; I’m sure it does even though I have only seen one instance of it in my two years of playing this game. But to say that for every 1 person using a parser for good, there are 3 that are using it to be “meanie poopie heads” is made-up; you have nothing quantitative to back it up. If you want to make solid arguments, do some research and get some solid numbers. Making things up just makes you look foolish.

Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing

Didn’t see this gem before I posted my reply; this may be shocking, but I really don’t care if people “like” or “thumbs up” my posts or not.

[Oscura]

Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing

This is proof to anyone to just not waste their time with this person. I don't "thumbs up" posts.

The fact you even got personal or brought up something completely irrelevant to the actual discussion shows how fragile and pathetic your argument is. Just stop.

[RiyahArp]

See what you wrote there? You abondon shinryu NM since people couldn't handle it..

..it was the first week of a new expansion, with people at the lowest possible ilvl to do it. It happens. Some people get tired of trying something for 40 minutes. Has nothing to do with overall skill, any more than someone abandoning an ex trial does. Once that week passed, people got used to it better.

The following months, very few if no abandons. It's pretty much assumed that new content has a grace period where we actually need to learn it.

If people do 'fine' in casual content, then they shouldn't have any issues being monitored by a parser, no?

If you are getting the dungeon done in 15-17 minutes, I'd ask why you need to monitor them. You need to parse in order to meet dps targets for a run. Most casual content doesn't have that at all.

As fot the "no evidence" replies, come on. How many times:

1. have you done a dungeon that takes five-ten more minutes over the average time?
2. Wiped multiple times in a hard mode trial
3. vote abandoned a 24 man run

in your daily play? If everyone is so bad, this should be pretty common, right?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Im not generalizing, I did say there were some who used it in a constructive manner but there are more than use it for nonconstructive purposes. Also your point at the bottom just strengthens the "casual players" arguments against parsing than any of the people advocating for them.

Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing

I said people in this thread have generalized raiders. Nowhere did I insinuate you did, though your argument is based entirely on assumptions. You keep insisting parses will mostly be used to harass without a single shred of proof. Which contradicts your second response since that, in of itself, is a circle jerk. Since if I say "most players wouldn't harass if parses would made official." You have no bases to argue otherwise.

Or perhaps I simply think your argues are poor and I "liked" the rebuttal. Couldn't just be that now could it.

[Baingoleth]

A plug-in API would be nice. Then people could make all sorts of useful tools as well as a parser.

[HoodRat]

As fot the "no evidence" replies, come on. How many times:

1. have you done a dungeon that takes five-ten more minutes over the average time?

Most times I run a dungeon without a premade, the time is increased by at least 50% than if I had gone with a premade.

2. Wiped multiple times in a hard mode trial

About half the time I run trial roulette without a premade, we wipe at least once. If it's Ramuh hm, I go in expecting more than one wipe.

3. vote abandoned a 24 man run

Again, this happens about half the time I run it without a premade.

I won’t say that parser harassment doesn’t occur; I’m sure it does even though I have only seen one instance of it in my two years of playing this game.

I've seen it multiple times. Although I don't condone harassment, the victim did bring it upon themselves in each of these cases.