Would you like an in-game parser?

[MoroMurasaki]

You only get your full rotation at level 70 (on most jobs at least) so you can't really practice your opener and basic rotation before that. And for that we already have a tool available for everyone: SSS dolls. Those are great for learning and testing your basic rotation, and then you'll have to adjust that rotation for each fight specifically while you're learning those fights anyway.

I'm with you... to an extent.

I don't want to assume that everyone learns like I do, I'm sure that isn't the case, but I'm sure a fair bit of people do. If you dropped me into a 70 job I wouldn't know which way was up because part of learning a role is playing it through the leveling process. There is a reason so much controversy surrounds jump potion users.

To me having a parser available from the beginning of leveling a class is part of my desire to have them in the game. To be able to see the different ways new skills impact my DPS as I gain those skills would be really helpful.

As someone who really wants a parser for personal growth/improvment I don't see why we would limit it to endgame content - I can be doing a full rotation (for any level) on virtually any boss in a dungeon and I'd like to be getting the feedback a parser provides on all those encounters because it's always advantageous to know more and be able to edit as you go as opposed to reaching 70 and entering an EX primal only to discover you've been performing something incorrectly for the last 69 levels.

I say this as someone currently seriously considering purchasing a computer to run this game on despite not having more than a tablet in years literally just for the benefits of ACT.

[Miste]

If you dropped me into a 70 job I wouldn't know which way was up because part of learning a role is playing it through the leveling process.

I'm the same way actually.

I learn basics by leveling the job and seeing what makes me do better damage even while leveling. For me it is simply easier to put the puzzle together one piece at a time instead of having tons of puzzle pieces dumped on my head all at once. As I level I take each new ability or spell and analyze it and find out how it fits into my rotation. It's sort of a more relaxed approach in my opinion and I prefer it.

Most jobs full rotation only happens at max level that's true, but the foundation you gain while leveling helps you transition to the full rotation easier. That's how I feel about it anyway.

[Taika]

I don't want to assume that everyone learns like I do, I'm sure that isn't the case, but I'm sure a fair bit of people do. If you dropped me into a 70 job I wouldn't know which way was up because part of learning a role is playing it through the leveling process. There is a reason so much controversy surrounds jump potion users.

Yeah, I'm just thinking that especially as a DD, you don't even get your rotation until level 70, so there's no way for you to practice that and your opener before that. Wether it's a new level 70 job you're just leveled or an old one you haven't played in a long time and have completely forgotten, the first step is to find the rotation and then practice practice practice on a dummy until you have the rotation in your muscle memory. And only then you should bring it to content, first easy one and later raiding, if you're feeling confident and can kill the dummy. That's how my learning process usually goes, although of course it's different for everyone like you said. For me the leveling part is mostly about seeing what my abilities are and how they work, not learning how the job actually plays at level 70.

Most jobs full rotation only happens at max level that's true, but the foundation you gain while leveling helps you transition to the full rotation easier. That's how I feel about it anyway.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you both on this! I just don't think a parser is as much needed for this part of the learning process, especially considering how different jobs have such different strengths on different levels (because of the abilities available to them).

[Tridus]

If you dropped me into a 70 job I wouldn't know which way was up because part of learning a role is playing it through the leveling process.

Ditto. It's easier to incorporate a changed thing at 70 into a class where you already had a chance to learn most of it than it is to just go "here's 23 skills, figure it out!" Especially since lots of jobs don't fundamentally change between 60-70. Sure, some do. Lots of them don't, including pretty much all the tanks & healers.

There is a reason so much controversy surrounds jump potion users.

Yup. It's really, REALLY easy to spot someone that used one and just jumped straight into 60+ content, because they rarely do well right away. You need to learn what all those buttons do and when to use them. The more of them you get thrown at you simultaneously, the harder that is. Hiding information about how well you're doing isn't at all helpful to this process, either. There's no simple way to try stuff and see what works in real time unless you break the rules by having a parser.

In a game where content is focused so much around doing enough DPS to kill things before enrages, keeping DPS secret is silly (and ultimately prone to failure anyway given that PC users have ways to do it, which just puts console players at an information disadvantage).

As someone who really wants a parser for personal growth/improvment I don't see why we would limit it to endgame content - I can be doing a full rotation (for any level) on virtually any boss in a dungeon and I'd like to be getting the feedback a parser provides on all those encounters because it's always advantageous to know more and be able to edit as you go as opposed to reaching 70 and entering an EX primal only to discover you've been performing something incorrectly for the last 69 levels.

I say this as someone currently seriously considering purchasing a computer to run this game on despite not having more than a tablet in years literally just for the benefits of ACT.

You remember when I started playing BLM again and I was in Alliance roulette trying to figure out if I was doing it correctly or not... and was effectively blind to that. I fail to see how that's supposed to be a good thing.

[MoroMurasaki]

For me it is simply easier to put the puzzle together one piece at a time instead of having tons of puzzle pieces dumped on my head all at once. As I level I take each new ability or spell and analyze it and find out how it fits into my rotation. It's sort of a more relaxed approach in my opinion and I prefer it.

A wonderful analogy

Yeah, I definitely agree with you both on this! I just don't think a parser is as much needed for this part of the learning process, especially considering how different jobs have such different strengths on different levels (because of the abilities available to them).

Oh for sure! I don't think that a parser is necessary for leveling content in the way it's necessary for EX+ content, more just a matter of convenience. Like, if we were adding an ingame parser to the game I don't see a reason to only add it to EX+ - it may as well be in all content if this hypothetical parser were to exist.

You remember when I started playing BLM again and I was in Alliance roulette trying to figure out if I was doing it correctly or not... and was effectively blind to that. I fail to see how that's supposed to be a good thing.

Oh I do remember. And I bet running a parser during that run might have helped you smooth things out a little quicker for sure.