Would you like an in-game parser?

[DeaconMoore]

Maybe you are right with your stand.
I can only talk from my pov and for the lower endgame it should be personal only.
So you can analyze your own performance without being able to judge others.

See, that's kind of a catch 22. While you can with a personal parser see your own improvements, much like the previously mentioned grading system how do you know what you're doing is actually really good or not? You only have your own data to compare it with. Without being able to see others data too you really have nothing to compare your own performance against. Naturally you'll assume you're awesome. None of us like to think we suck, but that doesn't mean you're not lagging behind the pack. You'll only know that if you're able to see others as well as your own data.

Making judgments isn't inherently evil. It's how you act when you make a judgment that determines whether or not you're a jerk.

[Legion88]

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I don't know why you mix separate answers to seperate points together.
1. people who don't want to learn wont learn.
Next topic.
2. Dummies, not only SSS, are good to measure and compare different meldings. To measure you need a parser obviously.
Next topic.
3. It is nice that you want to improve yourself, but a live display wont help you, only an analyze and that can't be done live.

I don't fear any griefing. I've just the opinion that the advantage of parsing lies in the analyze afterwards and not in any kind of live display.
Live display can be useful but mostly it is not.

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A performance ranking like fflogs can show you if you suck or have just a little room to improve without showing you specific numbers.

[MoroMurasaki]

I don't know why you mix separate answers to seperate points together.

1. people who don't want to learn wont learn.
Next topic.
2. Dummies, not only SSS, are good to measure and compare different meldings. To measure you need a parser obviously.
Next topic.
3. It is nice that you want to improve yourself, but a live display wont help you, only an analyze and that can't be done live.

I don't fear any griefing. I've just the opinion that the advantage of parsing lies in the analyze afterwards and not in any kind of live display.
Live display can be useful but mostly it is not.

A performance ranking like fflogs can show you if you suck or have just a little room to improve without showing you specific numbers.

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Your opinion is, in my opinion, completely nonsensical and wrong.

See how that works? We can all cast aside each other's opinions in favor of our own but that is living in an echochamber where we never learn.

I see what you're saying but I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion and so I'll ask - why is a live display useless? To me it's going to give you realtime feedback for fine tuning your damage instead of having to pick through a log looking for a specific moment to see what you did. If you know before the first Tidal Wave in Shin EX you're normally at X DPS with your normal rotation but then you swap it up and suddenly hit Y DPS... how is that useless? You've recieved validation that making this change in your rotation helped your DPS by whatever amount and could even apply that new info to the rest of that encounter instead of having to wait until the end of the fight to find out how your change played out overall... if the change is even visible over an entire encounter of data.

So again- here is why I don't understand your point, care to defend this position?

[Selova]

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Do you enjoy contradicting yourself constantly or something? You say dummies are good to measure and compare differen't meld builds while at the same time admitting that in order to accurately measure said builds you need a parser? Make up your mind. I have no idea what you are even saying on point 3, you can't know if you need to improve or what you are doing wrong unless you have a tool that can "analyze" what you are doing wrong and how to correct it, aka a parser. You pounding away on a dummy with the incorrect rotation isn't going to do anything to help you improve, because a dummy doesn't provide the data to let you know what wen't wrong or how to correct it.

I'm getting the impression that you don't fully understand what a parser actually does. You keep saying things like "analyze afterwards"....what are you using to analyze exactly? You have no way of knowing what you are doing wrong or what mistakes you made if you don't have a accurate tool that tells you what wen't wrong and where.

You also say that a "live display" of a parser/combat log can be useful, but mostly isn't? Wrong. It's useful in nearly all areas of self improvement, you just don't like the negative stigma associated with people potentially calling you out, which doesn't happen nearly as often as most of the anti-parsing crowd claims it does. You also clearly don't understand how FFlogs works either if you think it has nothing to do with numbers lol. Cheers.

[Mature]

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Erm I had the same experience. Actually on Sunday I was in a raid group where this guy was telling people how much dps he was doing and how everyone was below him.

You know me (and a few people know that I haven't got time for idiots and 12 year olds) I told him to piss off cause no one really gives a toss about it if YOU KEEP FAILING MECHANICS. He didn't like it and left.

At the end of the day who fucking cares how much dps you are doing if can't follow mechanics the fight properly? I don't give a sodding toss how much DPS you doing if you cant do mechanics.

And this is A clear example of moronic idiots trying to tell people off cause they not doing well. Who the hell do they think they are? And and their character says otherwise too..

NOW you ask yourself, how do you expect people to learn if they don't know their numbers?

That's why , either you have a in game parser or BAN everyone who is using a parser. And then we will all be in the same boat.

[Legion88]

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Opinion versus opinion. I know usually this cancels each other, because noone looks into the opinion and "wastes" a second thought about it, because it opposes mine.

Can you validate Y DPS doesn't come from party composition, unusual buffs, DH/Crit luck, buff food?
You will only know if you compare both/multiple parses and analyze them.

Live display can be useful but mostly it is not.

It gives hints but it is no validation.

[Fhaerron]

Yes so I can measure myself easier / better.

One of the reasons I like to play MMO's is because you get better, your ilvl goes up and I always strive to become a better player, increase my skill, part of that is also increasing the amount of damage I deal regardless the fact that I'm a tank, we deal damage too and I always strive to take the maximum out of it.
At least we have ACT but an official in-game parser would be easier (and maybe more accurate), like there's not really an open API where the addons can take info from (which is also the reason why there are basically no addons for this game)?

I don't really see why this is a problem, is there something wrong with me for liking to improve myself and like having a number to show my DPS and how much it goes higher as my ilvl and my skill to play the job better improves?

Repost of what I said many pages back,

I read a lot of the new comments and I still fail to see why parser is a bad thing.

I'm a filthy casual myself, I'm not pro, I can't play 24/7 no I haven't cleared ultimate bahamuth. But does all that mean I'm not allowed to improve myself (Parser provides a Real time number you can easily follow in fights).
I don't care how fast I can kill that target dummy, I care how much I can do on a boss in a real fight where I'm also required to do mechanics and where I just can't stand still in one spot and mash my buttons.
When other players with same job and same ilvl are doing that much more then me, then I know something is wrong and I need to improve somewhere. Parser is easy to track this.
It's not about being able or not being able to kill the boss, it's about being able to do your 'normal DPS' based on your gear and skill.

I will never be able to do the same as the pro's or the guys that raid 24/7, but I'm always trying my best and keep improving over time.. that's how I like to play.

Is there really something wrong with this?

[Deithwen]

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I wish more people had that way of thinking ^^

There was a post about dps gap at the end of HW between good and bad players, the dev team tried to reduce that gap in stormblood with the removal of skills, job gauges etc. Yoshida admitted it failed and the gap is still here, maybe even wider now.
I hope they will realize a parser is needed for one to improve properly, as it provides the right tools and feedback.

[Selova]

Opinion versus opinion. I know usually this cancels each other, because noone looks into the opinion and "wastes" a second thought about it, because it opposes mine.

Can you validate Y DPS doesn't come from party composition, unusual buffs, DH/Crit luck, buff food?
You will only know if you compare both/multiple parses and analyze them.

It gives hints but it is no validation.

*scratches head* I honestly have no clue why you are quoting and responding to yourself, but this little gem right here, bolded for emphasis, proves that you don't understand what a parser/combat log does. Gives hints but is no validation? What does that even mean lol? A parser doesn't give you hints, it gives you concrete numbers, data and logs on how to improve and correct mistakes that were made. That is the entire point of a parser. I'd just stop while you are ahead, this is getting embarrassing.

[RiyahArp]

I read a lot of the new comments and I still fail to see why parser is a bad thing.

It's mostly the game's culture. A parser wouldn't really improve people, as opposed to finally let people talk about and kick based on DPS, which would make the game nastier overall. The big worry is that we'd see it in casual content, like 24 mans and expert.