Would you like an in-game parser?

[RiyahArp]

You have to wonder how this "raiding/raiders/parsers are toxic," rhetoric even propagated. The grand majority of posts I see that say that always end up sounding incredibly hostile or just downright condescending, completely unaware of their own hypocrisy. Even worse is the multiple posts where people say "as long as I do what I deem as necessary, I'll be fine," ignoring the fact that the main basis of this game is teamwork. It is not about you.

1.Go to reddit.
2. read one of the many endless complaining posts about how bad players are
3. notice that most of them are about raid level content.
4. there you go.

[Oscura]

1.Go to reddit.
2. read one of the many endless complaining posts about how bad players are
3. notice that most of them are about raid level content.
4. there you go.

There is an entire thread with over 1300 pages more or less dedicated to complaining about duty finder/party finder/etc. The grand majority of the posts there are just complaints. It's the same thing.

Edit: My point being that people will complain about anything, even those that don't parse. You don't have to go very far into said thread for people to be constantly complaining and whining about player performance regardless of parsers or DPS numbers. The raiding player base and more specifically pro-parsers aren't any more toxic than the average casual player.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

1.Go to reddit.
2. read one of the many endless complaining posts about how bad players are
3. notice that most of them are about raid level content.
4. there you go.

I suppose we just have to stay perfectly silent lest we hurt someone's feeling then? Reddit evokes the same policies this forum does: no names. Therefore, any complaints are entirely anonymous. Sometimes people just want to vent about the bad players they've encountered hence the most popular thread is Tales of the Duty Finder. Coincidentally, most complaints come from dungeons or 24 mans. You know, the content we're not advocating a parse for. It's almost like people simply dislike bad players in general regardless of where their own skill level falls.

[MoroMurasaki]

It's almost like people simply dislike bad players in general regardless of where their own skill level falls.

Exactly!

I am a self-proclaimed filthy casual. IRL keeps me from participating in O3S-Ultimate where (imo) you need a static to survive. I have been very active in the 'Tales from the Duty Finder' thread since I joined this forum and I think I've got perhaps 2 complaints about O1S and a few EX primal posts amongst my 50+ stories added to that thread.

I just don't think parsers would have helped most of those situations. Maybe they would have helped me fine-tune my DPS but in a single target situation my rock throwing on WHM likely isn't saving the day alone.

Know where a parser can make a world of difference? Any fight with a hard enrage. Any fight I can't reliably solo heal. Any fight like EX or Savage where optimization isn't only the difference in clear time but also the difference in whether or not you'll clear at all.

Parsing isn't always the answer... but sometimes it is. There is no argument against parsing EX+ content that holds up under scrutiny. The answer to 'do we need a parser?' is a clear and resounding 'yes!', it's only the fact that many people have their heads stuck in the sand that has held us back for so long.