Would you like an in-game parser?

[akaneakki]

No, I would not. If it was added, I would turn it off. If it was party wide, I would permanently disable party chat.

You remind me of this guy. You gonna think it's fine to ignore the rest when they ask you to either know the mechanics or do enough dps. While everyone wants to either down or farm, 1 person which is also needed to do the mechanics correct, otherwise a wipe.

[TensaiSogetsu]

You remind me of this guy. You gonna think it's fine to ignore the rest when they ask you to either know the mechanics or do enough dps. While everyone wants to either down or farm, 1 person which is also needed to do the mechanics correct, otherwise a wipe.

I don't do farm parties so no, I don't need to see your inane ramblings. I make sure to atleast get a grasp on mechanics before I enter fights and stay up to date on gear, I don't need a number to know if I screwed up or not. Stop the hand holding. I have no need for your e-peen contests.

[Taika]

I make sure to atleast get a grasp on mechanics before I enter fights and stay up to date on gear, I don't need a number to know if I screwed up or not.

You would be suprised how many players who keep their gear up to date and don't mess up a single mechanic are unable to pull their own weight DPS-wise. Last time I did OS4 with a pickup DD their DPS was so low if everyone else had played at their level we would have never been able to beat the fight even with 0 mistakes and deaths. And the person had i340 melded gear and did 0 mistakes. They might very well have thought they "didn't need a number" but they most certainly could have used one, because right now they were being carried hard. The worst thing is, they probably did know this, because they had seen and hidden their own parse rankings...

[akaneakki]

I don't do farm parties so no, I don't need to see your inane ramblings. I make sure to atleast get a grasp on mechanics before I enter fights and stay up to date on gear, I don't need a number to know if I screwed up or not. Stop the hand holding. I have no need for your e-peen contests.

But you do intend to clear content right? So even if you have gear, doesn't mean you are capable to hit reach the dps your class is capable of or even close to it. I can't count how many players have 340 ilvl and can't do more dps than I did at 320. It's not about e-peen, it's about doing the shit you are supposed to do. Imagine everyone had your attitude in EVERY group you are in, good luck clearing then. First you admit you are willing to ignore others now you open admit again it's fine to ignore people again.

[Legion88]

I don't do farm parties so no, I don't need to see your inane ramblings. I make sure to atleast get a grasp on mechanics before I enter fights and stay up to date on gear, I don't need a number to know if I screwed up or not. Stop the hand holding. I have no need for your e-peen contests.

I don't get the impression people are asking for parsers in casual and semicasual content like Dungeons or 24mans where the benefits would be low or a parser itself wouldn't be more like e-peen stroking.

But you can't neglect the benefits in progression of Extreme Trials, Savage and Ultimate and not only in progression, also in kill parties and farms.

If you don't want to participate in the higher content don't try to demonize a proper tool for people who do by highlighting possible drawbacks and negative sideeffects and mix it up with your own fears while ignoring all possible positive sideeffects and the intended use.

[Taika]

If you don't want to participate in the higher content don't try to demonize a proper tool for people who do by highlighting possible drawbacks and negative sideeffects and mix it up with your own fears while ignoring all possible positive sideeffects and the intended use.

Also, if you don't want to participate in the higher content, this discussion doesn't concern you in the first place, since people are only asking it for Savage, Extremes and Ultimate... So why object it when you will never have to deal with it, and it can actually help people who do wish to do that content? (If I have missed posts where people are asking it for leveling or casual content without enrages, feel free to point them out to me though.)

[DeaconMoore]

(If I have missed posts where people are asking it for leveling or casual content without enrages, feel free to point them out to me though.)

It needs to be in all content. You don't learn to dps in end game. You learn to dps then go to end game and learn the fights. Why deny console players what pc players already got?

[Legion88]

It needs to be in all content. You don't learn to dps in end game. You learn to dps then go to end game and learn the fights. Why deny console players what pc players already got?

In general people should figure out a decent rotation while leveling and practice on a dummy to learn it.

But in leveling is just a low gain out of a parser because of missing skills.
Also in casual content it really isn't needed. I'm running dungeons to get into the jobs flows in duties so i wouldn't want to be judged by my performance in a job i haven't mastered yet or i play to relax, that's what casual content is for.
In SSS and higher endgame content It is a complete other thing, cause it is a kind of competition.

[DeaconMoore]

In general people should figure out a decent rotation while leveling and practice on a dummy to learn it.

But in leveling is just a low gain out of a parser because of missing skills.
Also in casual content it really isn't needed. I'm running dungeons to get into the jobs flows in duties so i wouldn't want to be judged by my performance in a job i haven't mastered yet or i play to relax, that's what casual content is for.
In SSS and higher endgame content It is a complete other thing, cause it is a kind of competition.

And how do you know the rotation is good? How do you know what you melded is good? How will you find out if what you want to meld is better or not? A parser outside of endgame.

Yeah, it isn't needed in leveling content. Hell you can play just fine without one period. But being able to compare yourself and track improvements outside endgame helps you know what you are doing when you do hit end game.

[Selova]

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I just wanted to chime in on a few points here. The first being that leveling does nothing to teach you what your rotation is, there is no tutorial on how your job is supposed to function. If you are someone that doesn't look up guides on how a job is supposed to play or at the very least read the tooltips on your abilities, something that quite a few people already don't do given how often the topic of people not using aoe's in large trash pulls comes up, chances are they won't ever learn how their job is supposed to function or even play at a decent level because they can't be bothered doing any level of research because "It's their sub" and they will play how they wan't.


The second point is that practice dummies are a terrible and flawed metric to gauge someones overall performance. I'm talking about your ability to push the damage required on a fight on top of executing all the mechanics perfectly, since the dummy is just a stationary target where you have a time limit to do as much damage that is required to pass the enrage. The only way to accurately improve your performance on a fight to fight basis is by having a tool to measure how much damage your doing, what mistakes you made and what you could have done better, while you are progressing on the actual encounter itself aka a parser.

At the end of the day, we all have our own definition of what we view as relaxing and fun when we play mmos. I personally like having a tool that let's me see how much I'm contributing to the group, regardless of what level of content it is. While it may not be needed, there are those of us that get enjoyment out of playing our jobs as optimally as we can and even more rewarding when you are performing well alongside others. Cheers.