Would you like an in-game parser?

[Dzian]

First up, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record here, my suggested approach of measuring potency per second rather than damage per second gets around this, you can still incorporate personal modifiers and combos whilst isolating it from cross party buffs to keep things simple and easy to understand whilst not misleading people once they start optimising within a static..

This is interesting but I question its accuracy. I'm not entirely sure how potency works but If you are correct and buffs / debuffs etc don't actually affect potency itself then PPS isn't necessarily a good indication of a players performance. a player could achieve quite a high PPS but actualy have a negative impact on there actual DPS.

A warrior for example could never touch the storms eye combo at all or let it drop off for long periods of time and just do more paths or bb combos and from a PPS perspective this would be seen as good play because the 20% damage buff from eye wouldn't affect actual potency. all those extra bbs might actual increase the pps

another example would be monk. in terms of potency a monk would basically never touch dragon kick or twin snakes. boot shine and true strike both offer larger potencies in there respective forms.

or ninja. skip suiton and use ration all the time. tcj your dotons. (if I recall the tcj buff actually means the doton combo is more total potency than the suiton one.

this could then lead to quite a lot of false positives as an increased PPS number could actualy result in decreased DPS.

So I wonder how usefull a PPS number would actually be. as you could effective suck at keeping self buffs and things up but still achieve a high PPS in which case it wouldn't really tell you anything about how optimally you are playing..

it is an interesting idea though.

[DeaconMoore]

That it'll apparently start getting people harassed for damage numbers despite how it already happens, parser or not. I can't even tell a SMN to use dots without being called a parsing elitist. No numbers.

o.0

So, despite it already happening, it won't start happening like the devs say it will if they made an official parser?

Uh... wha?

I'm pro parser myself. Saying some people won't openly harass people over their numbers is a lie. I've seen it myself plenty of times in other games. Not everyone uses a tool supplied to them responsibly. Not everyone abuses it either.

It sucks for the console players that want one won't get one but it is what it is. If it's that desired you'll get yourself a PC and get the parser there and be quiet about it. Or stick with the console and suck it up until they decide to change their stance, if they ever do that is.

[HoodRat]

So, despite it already happening, it won't start happening like the devs say it will if they made an official parser?

It can't start if it's already in progress.

[DeaconMoore]

It can't start if it's already in progress.

It can start happening openly if the first two rules about it are no longer you don't talk about it. And it had to start at some point if it's already in progress

[Jijifli]

o.0

So, despite it already happening, it won't start happening like the devs say it will if they made an official parser?

Uh... wha?

I'm pro parser myself. Saying some people won't openly harass people over their numbers is a lie. I've seen it myself plenty of times in other games. Not everyone uses a tool supplied to them responsibly. Not everyone abuses it either.

It sucks for the console players that want one won't get one but it is what it is. If it's that desired you'll get yourself a PC and get the parser there and be quiet about it. Or stick with the console and suck it up until they decide to change their stance, if they ever do that is.

Sorry, my wording was poor.

I meant the reason is because people will harass if they put it in, but they already do it. Not having the parser doesn't mean people won't harass the DRG for not doing combo's.

Apologies if the wording was poor.

[Shirolumi]

Yes, even if only for my own dps.

[Selova]

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Them saying "It's not going to happen" regardless of how consistence their stance on it has been means nothing. There is no such thing as never when it comes to MMO development. There is going to come a point in FFXIV's life cycle where they are going to have to seriously consider their stance on certain things if they wish to remain afloat, everywhere from sever limitations, item storage all the way to what type of content is designed, which of course includes parsers. The fact that there are F2P MMOs that have the QoL features that this game should have had years ago is testament to this. There is no such thing is never, it's all a matter of time.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Did you watch the Live Letter Part XXXV. Its not going to happen. The devs have been very consistent regarding their stance regarding official dps meters, and even 3rd party being against the ToS. I think the attitude on the forums around dps affirms that people would be jerks if dps meters were officially accepted.

But hey, hold out hope if you want.... I don't see it ever happening.

Yes. And I never said I believed they'd implement it nor do I "hold out hope." I simply argued putting to what the devs have said in the past means nothing. They have repeatedly changed their minds hence my example.

I now ask what attitude? This entire thread has been largely civil from the pro parse crowd. In fact, I've seen more "toxic" responses from people from the opposite side. You needs only go back a handful of pages to see yet another blind assumption that only "toxic jerks" want parses when the majority who do favour them do so because they want personal improvement and accountability.

[TensaiSogetsu]

No, I would not. If it was added, I would turn it off. If it was party wide, I would permanently disable party chat.

[Sebazy]

No, I would not. If it was added, I would turn it off. If it was party wide, I would permanently disable party chat.

That's frankly quite a sad stance to take IMHO. I could make many comparisons to what you're saying, but it'd probably land me in trouble with the moderators here :/