Would you like an in-game parser?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Did you watch the Live Letter Part XXXV. Its not going to happen. The devs have been very consistent regarding their stance regarding official dps meters, and even 3rd party being against the ToS. I think the attitude on the forums around dps affirms that people would be jerks if dps meters were officially accepted.

But hey, hold out hope if you want.... I don't see it ever happening.

Yes. And I never said I believed they'd implement it nor do I "hold out hope." I simply argued putting to what the devs have said in the past means nothing. They have repeatedly changed their minds hence my example.

I now ask what attitude? This entire thread has been largely civil from the pro parse crowd. In fact, I've seen more "toxic" responses from people from the opposite side. You needs only go back a handful of pages to see yet another blind assumption that only "toxic jerks" want parses when the majority who do favour them do so because they want personal improvement and accountability.

[Ayer2015]

Yes. And I never said I believed they'd implement it nor do I "hold out hope." I simply argued putting to what the devs have said in the past means nothing. They have repeatedly changed their minds hence my example.

I now ask what attitude? This entire thread has been largely civil from the pro parse crowd. In fact, I've seen more "toxic" responses from people from the opposite side. You needs only go back a handful of pages to see yet another blind assumption that only "toxic jerks" want parses when the majority who do favour them do so because they want personal improvement and accountability.

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

[HyoMinPark]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

Care to link some of them?

If this is referring to the threads about how DPS aren’t using AOEs in large packs (since that’s a pretty common argument), then the threads have reason to be there, and the OPs are usually right: DPS should be using AOEs against large trash packs. Doesn’t take parsing to see when they aren’t using AOEs. If this is about healer DPS, then why is it okay for healers to use 1/3 of their toolkit, but not for DPS to do the same? If a WHM can only cast Cure, why can’t I just use Heavy Shot?

But these discussions have nothing to do with parser discussions. Like others have said, a few pages back there was a poster who said only people who parse are “toxic”, and then in the same breath spewed his own toxicity by saying they should be immediately banned from the game. Why is it that “anti-parser” posters are allowed to say things like that, but if a “pro-parser” poster says “I should have the right to kick a person who is not DPSing and looking to be carried through ShinEx or V4S from my party” labeled “toxic”?

[Sebazy]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

Are you referring to the posts towards the end of Heavensward where the sub par vs decent DPS disparity was at it's peak?

Few of those posts or the comments in them were toxic or elitist IMHO, it was a fair observation of an issue that seemed to be steadily spiralling out of control. There's also plenty of examples of people referencing the typically poor DPS that average people do in story trials such as Shinryu with regards to how these sorts of encounters are tuned. Hardly toxic.

I'm in agreement with Bourne on this frankly, some casual players can be incredibly defensive to the point of being aggressive towards anything even hinting at them being below par. It's just a sore subject that some people don't have the mental fortitude to handle and deal with unfortunately. It's not even an exclusive MMO thing. Call a few people out on their standard of driving and you'll often see exactly the same sort of snap reactions.

[akaneakki]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

Which threads? Feel free to link. I mean... if you talk about no aoe from a dps, then yeah. The aoe is there for a reason, if you think overwise, you are wrong. But sure other than that, give us a coupel of links, we are pleased to wait.