Would you like an in-game parser?

[NephthysVasudan]

There are differences, but there are similarities too.

In both interactions its easy to provoke anger through being a nitpick. Whether it's nitpicking spelling or nitpicking dps; in both cases one can have an off day and in both cases if nagged about it will only turn the person in question hostile.

To finish the adage: apples and oranges are both fruit, both grown from trees, and both can be big enough to fit in one's hand.

If you had read my initial post about parser's.....you'd see I'm not talking about "nit-picking"

[akaneakki]

If you had read my initial post about parser's.....you'd see I'm not talking about "nit-picking"

Honest question; Is the dps bad if a whm does more dps? Second, do you think you are a good whm?

[Tubben]

Honest question; Is the dps bad if a whm does more dps? Second, do you think you are a good whm?

You cant really take only healer-dps to compare healer. You need to combine HPS + DPS to compare them. Like 1 dps=2.4 points, 1 hps = 1 point, then add the points and compare them to the points of an different healer.

Man i would like something like this ingame.

And to stay on topic: I would like to know where i stand against other players. It helps me to improve.

If it's completely un-communicatable sure; ie, the information can't be broadcasted over chat channels as some sort of E-Peen, Bash or Gloat stick. I'd have no problems with it. Otherwise no, it's unneeded. It would just become a tool to bash people over the head with. If that's something you want, then that game already exists, it's called WoW.

When did you play wow the last time ? In all the years playing WoW, the parser was no Problem. Most of the time the logs got posted because someone asked, and it's not like that many people care (Most use their own logs..) And in WoW, the game where you could use an parser on day one (or when mods got introduced, i dont remember), no one moans because of the parser, because there is no problem, simple as that.

No one get kicked or harrased for doing 20% less damage than the next dps, because no one really cares (Except in high end raids...).

People only care for the dps who do 50% of the damage of the standard tank (i dont talk about that tanks who pull 3.5-4.0k overall dps in 4 player instances) And in my opinion, then it's ok to say something. Because, sure, i dont pay the sub of the "500 DPS" players, but they dont pay mine also.

Why should an parser be an problem in FF14, where the playerbase is more mature as in WoW, if the parser is NO problem in said WoW ?

[NephthysVasudan]

Honest question; Is the dps bad if a whm does more dps? Second, do you think you are a good whm?

1: That kind of question is a loaded gun to me. White Mage's are notoriously strong dps for what they do - and tend to out DPS most classes in several situations. However, compared to say a Black Mage? Not so great, Black Mages don't have to worry about running out of mana provided to flip umbral every so often. White Mages have to rely on Lucid Dream/Thin Air which cool down every 120s or so which can be tricky as your rolling dice that you wont need that when you burn them. Etc..etc...

In short - so long as DPS is doing the best they can (and I'm not expecting perfection) - even at mediocre damage - I'm OK.
Now in an ultimate/savage situation? Id expect them to be on their A Game.

2: On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best) - Id say I'm a 7...sometimes an 8. I consider myself a competent White Mage..maybe good enough to consider serious things like savage/ultimate...but I would also say there's always room for improvement... and I don't think a parser will tell me jack...because a lot of my problem is timing and coordination. Dyslexia is a ####.

[akaneakki]

yslexia is a ####.

I have dyslexia too. Yeah most of us and id say 99% people don't care about dungeon dps at least if they are okay. I've seen blms spam scatter or fire 3 and bliz 3 right after, this is something i don't find acceptable at all tbh. But about raids and savage and even trials, I do expect, like yourself that people play great.
But lets say I run a dungeon and I'm about 100-200 dps behind a smn/rdm or a blm, even a samurai. As SCH or even astro, are they also considered bad? I mean the real reason I ask is because plenty of people here dodge that question, because if they do know a healer did out dps them, they tend to ignore they fact they arent as good they think they are. And I also happen to out dps people as whm and sch in dungeon bosses too. I need an explantion there if they are bad or good.

[HyoMinPark]

1: That kind of question is a loaded gun to me. White Mage's are notoriously strong dps for what they do - and tend to out DPS most classes in several situations. However, compared to say a Black Mage? Not so great, Black Mages don't have to worry about running out of mana provided to flip umbral every so often. White Mages have to rely on Lucid Dream/Thin Air which cool down every 120s or so which can be tricky as your rolling dice that you wont need that when you burn them. Etc..etc...

While a WHM will surpass a DPS in terms of numbers in AOE situations because Holy spam is OP (barring a few jobs like SMN that are ridiculously OP now), if a WHM is outDPSing a DPS job in a single-target situation, there is a huge problem there. If you, as a WHM, were outDPSing a SMN on a boss, there is a problem. So what would you say in a situation like that? I think that’s what akaneakki was referring to.

In short - so long as DPS is doing the best they can (and I'm not expecting perfection) - even at mediocre damage - I'm OK.

And that’s fine, in dungeons. No one expects 95% performance in dungeons, or even 24-mans or 8-man story mode raids/trials.

Now in an ultimate/savage situation? Id expect them to be on their A Game.

Include Extreme here as well. Because if a person isn’t on top of it, it’s very possible to hit enrage and not even clear a fight.

Take a group I joined in on yesterday for Shinryu (fairly certain that it was a “farm” party). There was an extremely vocal MCH that kept calling out every mistake this MNK made; every death they had (which was the fault of the healers, not the MNK—because they kept dying to the Sludge DoT from Earth Breath), yet this MCH could barely break 3k DPS in 330-340 gear. The MNK was in full 320 gear and was keeping up with myself and a friend (BRD/DRG respectfully) when we are i340–we were pulling about 5k a piece, with the MNK pulling over 4k, around 4.2k consistently...very good for their gear and ilvl. They died twice in one pull and still outDPS’d the vocal MCH.

The damage was so low from that MCH, both tanks (barely breaking 1,500 DPS outside of tank stance), and healers (0 DPS from both) that we were seeing the second Tidal Wave in the first phase. There’s a HUGE problem there, and it was one of those instances where I really wish I could have said something. Because that MCH was complaining so much at the MNK, I wanted to tell him “Perhaps you should stop complaining and focus more on your own damage because you are barely doing over 3k with ZERO deaths; no wonder we keep seeing the second Tidal Wave”.

2: On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best) - Id say I'm a 7...sometimes an 8. I consider myself a competent White Mage..maybe good enough to consider serious things like savage/ultimate...but I would also say there's always room for improvement... and I don't think a parser will tell me jack...because a lot of my problem is timing and coordination. Dyslexia is a ####.

Parsers used in conjunction with FFLogs would be a very good tool for self-improvement if you used them. Analyzing the uploaded logs of other WHMs on the site, and seeing when they use which CDs, how they time their heals, etc., would also help—such information can only be obtained with parser data. Don’t dismiss a parser and think that it wouldn’t show you ways to improve when you’ve never even used one. It’s like when people say they don’t like certain foods, but have never tried them.

I’m curious as to how dyslexia contributes to poor timing and coordination. As far as I’m aware, that’s something that only affects one’s reading skills because it jumbles up the letters sometimes, or some letters look like other letters. Are you meaning that, because you sometimes can’t properly read the casts/cast bars (the letters get jumbled up sometimes), you may be late on timing a heal? Feel free to tell me because I honestly don’t know how dyslexia affects coordination and timing. That being said, however, one shouldn’t use disabilities as an excuse to not improve.

[akaneakki]

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You know whats funny?
This guy here has outperformed a lot of players with 340 ilvl, look at his gear.. He did 2.7k dps there and he also mitigated well plus he wasnt in tank stance like... 98% of the time..It's a shame really that this player could do that with that crappy gear. On top doing better mitigation and taking a lot less damage than most tanks I've seen in savage. I need someone here whos an anti parser person and pro tank stance players to explain how he took less damage on busters etc and how he did better dps with a shitty weapon like that as well.