Would you like an in-game parser?

[Caitlinzulu]

. I would much rather get clears for, say, V1S-V3S in 30 minutes than spending 2 hours on them. Same thing with Exdeath—I’d rather kill him in 2-3 pulls instead of spending half of V4S’ lockout on him before even seeing Neo. Sorry, but I'm not sorry about that.

But you do know no level of training or improving yourself will cut the time you need in 4. at most it would be like 40 minutes instead of 30. Thats all on the condition that you dont wipe off course and that nobody is underperforming so much that they cause wipes. If you dont hit enrage due to low dps its usually someone failing mechanics which causes their damage to drop due to dieing. you dont need a parser to spot that.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

But you do know no level of training or improving yourself will cut the time you need in 4. at most it would be like 40 minutes instead of 30. Thats all on the condition that you dont wipe off course and that nobody is underperforming so much that they cause wipes. If you dont hit enrage due to low dps its usually someone failing mechanics which causes their damage to drop due to dieing. you dont need a parser to spot that.

And? If each fight shaved off ten minutes, I'll have almost an hour extra to do something else. Why should I spend longer because you or whomever cannot be bothered with more than "we cleared"?

[Deceptus]

Yes. Some sort of grading system, hell even a F-S ranks, that shows after a clear or a wipe.

If SE is going to implement DPS checks in the game, there needs to be a viable way of seeing who is lacking on DPS.

What concerns me is that there are players that are not good at their class, and have no interest in improving themselves. Those are the players most aggressively Anti-parser. And for what reason? Just because they don't want to be pressured by the community to pull their weight. ?

I'm a terrible dps, but I don't savage raid. I only dabble in Ex's. And I can still consistently out damage other people.

There was a dragoon when I tanked the dungeon the other day who refused to AOE even though I was pulling 10+ mobs at a time. Single target rotation. You simply can't help some people.

[Caitlinzulu]

And? If each fight shaved off ten minutes, I'll have almost an hour extra to do something else. Why should I spend longer because you or whomever cannot be bothered with more than "we cleared"?

Well good luck shaving 10 minutes off a omega savage clear rofl. Its more like you shave off a minute or 2-3 at the very most on those. 10

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well good luck shaving 10 minutes off a omega savage clear rofl. Its more like you shave off a minute or 2-3 at the very most on those. 10

Don't move the goal posts. Be it 10 minutes or 40, why should I waste more of my time because you simply can't be bothered to do more than the bare minimum? In a learning party, that's one thing but in a clear, I expect everyone to pull their own weight not have me carry them through.

[HyoMinPark]

But you do know no level of training or improving yourself will cut the time you need in 4. at most it would be like 40 minutes instead of 30. Thats all on the condition that you dont wipe off course and that nobody is underperforming so much that they cause wipes. If you dont hit enrage due to low dps its usually someone failing mechanics which causes their damage to drop due to dieing. you dont need a parser to spot that.

You can either kill Exdeath in 2-3 pulls (roughly 15 minutes combined if your group is right on the brink of enrage), or you can wipe to him 10-15 times (each one taking anywhere from 2 mins to the enrage timer) and waste half a lockout before you even see Neo. I wonder which one people would rather have. V4S is, in total, a ~20 minute fight, including Neo’s weird birthlike scene and resetting for him. Exdeath has an enrage of 4:50, and Neo 12:45. Why spend 30 or 40 minutes in a fight that can be done in less? It’s one thing if it’s a first clear. But for people who have multiple clears to be “okay” with wiping because “well, we cleared”—I will never understand this mindset.

You can kill Alte Rolte or Catastrophe in 6~7 minutes (sometimes even less if your group is super good, but average is 7-ish minutes), or 9~10 minutes (enrage is 9:40 for V1S, and 10:30 for V2S, if I remember correctly). Which is preferable? I think people would prefer the faster clears so they can spend more time either progging on later floors, or, I don’t know, doing other productive things? I raid twice a week for 3 hours; I also go to school full-time and have other things I need to be doing like homework or studying. Those minutes add up over time. I want as much time as possible in Neo with my group trying to help them clear, as opposed to spending an hour in V3S wiping. I’m sure others feel the same.

[akaneakki]

That is actually very impressive!

I think so too. Not only does it look like he have a lot of fun but hes also a proof that a lot of people who aren't disabled just trying to get away with some shitty excuse to try being a better player. Hes a very big inspiration for me and probably for a lot other people as well.

[Canadane]

However, the community must be responsible and own the fact that, as we are now, it will not be used to help players. It will be to avoid the threat of being banned for saying you are kicking people for low dps and select players out of a pool.

You don't need a parser to kick people for low dps, if you're watching someone you can usually tell if they're up to par or not.
Kicking for a difference in playstyle is already allowed. And if someone is kicked for low dps often, it may be just the motivation they need to look into improving.

In the long run, it will help players.

[CrystalRainbow]

Aren't the 2 no options double negatives.

I wouldn't mind a personal score. So I can test myself to beat it.

[Yeol]

Not against parse but if they add it now it will be bad.

I say bad because of the players' skill level. The dev team commented on this as well. The current average player skill level is very low.
They were hoping that with SB and changes done to the battle system, that the gap between good and bad players will be reduced.

Judging from PF/DF, the amount of good players you run into is .. once every few weeks?

I know that having parse will fix this issue in the long run. But it will cause a lot of harassment and kicks because people can be vocal about it. Less skilled players will try to avoid DF/PF and this is not good for queue time or self-improvement.

If they want to improve the player base skill, they should look at the content they are providing. Brain-dead content is not going to help anyone learn and get better.

Another thing is, people do not know that they are bad. There is nothing in this game that will show them that they are playing poorly unless they try SSS dummy and realize that they can't clear it. People can argue that adding a parse will help. Well, It will be more of a shock when a dps sees that he is competing with a tank.. and it is shown publicly to everyone. No one wants to look bad.
It is a different feeling when you see someone doing 200-400 more dps than you V.S. 1k difference. A small difference is more encouraging.