Would you like an in-game parser?

[RobbieH]

Cool, you beat a training dummy with the help of internet people who use parsers. That don't mean shit in the actual fight. "I beat the dummy guys" "ok... but your dps is 800 lower than it should be in here" "but i beat the dummy. Don't parse me. ToS breach. Reporting!!!"

So your problem is that people report you for using a parser, then it's your fault for mentioning the DPS.

And yes dummy doesn't mean anything when:

- People still use potions and food to cheese their numbers
- Beat A12S without beating the actual dummy, which pretty much makes your argument invalid.

Just curious about something, why do you think parsers are not allowed?

EDIT: Since i'm on post daily limit i'll reply to post bellow:

You can request numbers at the end of the fight from whoever is using it.

Or, you can use Teamspeak on your Smartphone.

Also, i think people are forgetting something important:

Carefully take a look at this...


Didn't notice anything?

Here:



You people are asking for 13 year olds to do high DPS.

Yes because they and even younger play the game, if they get in a dungeon with you they're going to hear people call them names and other stuff and get kicked.

That's all.

[bardaboo]

Im on ps4. No parser, would love one. Yes. There is potential for grief, buuut that's always been there. I like improving. Been running a9s and a10s, i hate that I can't see my dps.
(Edit)i was pointing out that you don't know if you are maintaining your dps in an actual fight

[Miste]

Anyone with half a brain knows that bots are so rampant 30-40% of pc users use rotation bots

Got some proof to back up your "statistics"?

[FabricioRF]

Are antiparsers afraid of people being able to see their low numbers or what?

[bardaboo]

So your problem is that people report you for using a parser, then it's your fault for mentioning the DPS.

And yes dummy doesn't mean anything when:

- People still use potions and food to cheese their numbers
- Beat A12S without beating the actual dummy, which pretty much makes your argument invalid.

Just curious about something, why do you think parsers are not allowed?

EDIT: Since i'm on post daily limit i'll reply to post bellow:

You can request numbers at the end of the fight from whoever is using it.

Or, you can use Teamspeak on your Smartphone.

Also, i think people are forgetting something important:

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Yes, i too am guilty of using pots and food to "cheese" my numbers. I'm also one of those guys that likes to use my skills in the right order to "cheese" my numbers as well. Clearly i need to stop my epeeen leetness.
(Edit ) and I'm not asking for parser so I can grief 13 year olds. I'm wanting a parser so i can track my own dps
(Edit 2) i also don't need a parser to see if a blm sucks or a bard sucks or a drg sucks or a smn sucks. I can actually see if they are doing their job somewhere close to decent.

[Frowny]

Are antiparsers afraid of people being able to see their low numbers or what?

Maybe? On one hand some concerns are valid. On the other, it is pretty easy to see who is being carried even without a parse...

Nonsense post

I too can make a snarky edit!

-Cheesing with pots/food? Erm... in Savage that can be a HUGE benefit and... kind of the point of them. Should I remove my melds as they inflate my stats?
-You know why people can beat A12S without beating the dummy? Crits, people DPSing slightly higher to compensate etc.

If someone is going to attempt EX/Savage, I don't care if they're 13 or 50. They need to push the DPS needed. If they can't, then the content isn't for them.

Also, parsers are technically allowed. It is when they're used to harass when someone gets in trouble for... well, harassment. And I think you said it best, so I'd heed your words:

Why bother post nonsense?

[RobbieH]

Are antiparsers afraid of people being able to see their low numbers or what?

Why bother post this when you're a low parser yourself?

Yes, i too am guilty of using pots and food to "cheese" my numbers. I'm also one of those guys that likes to use my skills in the right order to "cheese" my numbers as well. Clearly i need to stop my epeeen leetness.

Good job for being the only person in the game who "uses skills in the right order", are you going to teach me playing Ninja, please?

People use pots to cheese their DPS yes, for a simple reason, so they get better numbers on a certain website, are pots needed for A9S, A10S and 11S? No they aren't, if people use them is either:

- To have higher numbers
- Because they don't meet the DPS checks needed

People even use Pots om bosses in 24 Man Raids so they can be at the Top.

(Edit ) and I'm not asking for parser so I can grief 13 year olds. I'm wanting a parser so i can track my own dps

Maybe you won't, but many will, people already do it without a parser so with one would be far worse.

(Edit 2) i also don't need a parser to see if a blm sucks or a bard sucks or a drg sucks or a smn sucks. I can actually see if they are doing their job somewhere close to decent.

Then why do you need a parser? It's like everytime you post, you kill your own argument, i just don't get it.

I too can make a snarky edit!

-Cheesing with pots/food? Erm... in Savage that can be a HUGE benefit and... kind of the point of them. Should I remove my melds as they inflate my stats?

No but people like to bring their epeen when they do more DPS when they don't take into account the Stats on whoever is doing less than they should, are you going to deny this? Then you're going to kill your own argument.

-You know why people can beat A12S without beating the dummy? Crits, people DPSing slightly higher to compensate etc.

More or less yes, Crits and LB, LB is used to compensate low and/or DPS losses.

That's why the actual numbers in Savage are lower for the most part compared to the Dummy.

If someone is going to attempt EX/Savage, I don't care if they're 13 or 50. They need to push the DPS needed. If they can't, then the content isn't for them.

Here's what's wrong with this community, you people expect others to perform well, if they don't they get booted, why not help them perform better?

That's why most JP community is successful, because they help each other.

Also, parsers are technically allowed. It is when they're used to harass when someone gets in trouble for... well, harassment. And I think you said it best, so I'd heed your words:

Are they now? Post a link to them in the forums and you'll see if they're allowed.

And come on, people harass each other even without parsers, even there's someone saying that when WoW got parsers it became super toxic, why would it be different here?

Look at this thread, people talking about parsers and running with pitch forks against those who are against it.

I'm not entirely against and in-game parser, i've explained multiple times, per page, what's the problem of adding one, and people in this forum like to skip arguments when they have nothing to counter those arguments, but that's ok, i'm not expecting people to bother considering what they post.

Going to repeat for the last time:

- Parsers won't make a player become much better (to the point people expect them to perform in End-game raiding) on their own, they will still need someone's else help
- Written and Video Guides are much better and faster way to learn
- People with low DPS will get kicked and Vote Kick will be abused more than ever
- There's Mentor System, no one uses it at all, and those who do is for the mount

If the things mentioned above weren't an issue, then i'd be fine with the parser, the problem is that it's in people nature to shit on others even if they're only doing better by 1%.

[Kaurie]

How is a group parser going to help someone leveling? That's the most dumb thing i've ever read so far in this thread.

I thought I made myself clear, that the parser would help you realize how changes to your rotation affect your DPS. Just because the numbers are 60 vs 80 doesn't mean you're not doing 33% more damage. It's a great feedback tool to tell you how you are doing as you level.

People don't learn their class looking at numbers, people learn their class by reading the skill tooltips, and from there use their logic, that's how i've learned and most people learned.

People learn by trial and error. You use logic and tooltips to think up ways to adjust your rotation and then you use feedback from a parser to determine if it made a difference.

What basically you're saying is that everyone was bad before parsers were made available, please.

Considering you are advocating using logic, this is a fairly illogical conclusion. I am advocating that parsers will help the general community improve. Having the ability to improve doesn't mean that everyone is bad. That said, the vast majority of DF players do play poorly.

Not to mention there's plenty of guides, being them video or written, no Parser is going to make someone better than reading/watching a guide (exception for people who already know their Job for the most part and want to test openers).

This likely depends on the player, the content and their current level of skill. It's also an odd argument as the two are not mutually exclusive. I am fairly certain plenty of players who watch guides also use parsers.

Yes this is why people want a group parser, so they can shit on bad players and get away with it for the sake of epeen, when they're not that good themselves.

It's interesting you have this perspective, as between the two of us, you're being the jerk. In this post alone, you've insulted me by calling me dumb, saying I'm stroking my epeen and have made several other negative assumptions about me. Yet, between the two of us, you're the one advocating for no parser and I am advocating for a parser.

What would happen if someone was doing bad DPS:

- Get shit on
- Get kicked

-You notice and improve
-I notice and offer advice
-We both notice and ignore it

Just so you are aware, every single person who is seen doing poor DPS in games like WoW are not kicked, or even mocked. The vast majority is simply ignored.

But wait, there's a group parser, so why aren't they good already? Wasn't it meant to help bad players become better to begin with?

There isn't a group parser, or are you using your previous comment where you provide 2 sample scenarios as the only possible scenarios of the future as evidence for an argument?

The only time i felt the need to read a guide for Ninja was during 3.2 when i couldn't beat the A8S dummy, was failing at 3%, which is what full party buff is and would be met while inside A8S, but i still wanted to get it down since it's possible, so i went to read guides and found out that the Opener was somewhat wrong.

Then i proceed to test the new opener, still wasn't enough, so i proceed to reddit and people told me my crit was too low, end of story.

I didn't use a parser to learn my Job, i'm not special, why would other people need a parser to learn their Job?

That is great for you. In a way you did you use a parser, the SSS, to determine your level. A parser would provide this feedback in all content. That way you could see how things change throughout. It would provide feedback as you are learning your class. It would provide your AST feedback to know who to buff - and so on.

It kind of sounds like you think that a parser would replace SSS, video guides, written guides and so on. These are not mutually exclusive.

[KarstenS]

The problem there is that the vast majority of the community won't get better with the addition of a parser.

This is absolutely no issue...

...as long...

... these people don't get the idea to join parties for ex primals or savage as long they have this mind.

But exactly this is the issue: these people are joining ex and savage parties. And the result is more and more frustation on all sides, because they are failing over and over.

- Beat A12S without beating the actual dummy, which pretty much makes your argument invalid.

These people (in the current time) exactly know about their performance and don't need the dummy at all.

The dummies are more for people that don't know how they perform and want a first impression, where they stand.

[bardaboo]

@RobbieH i want a parser so I can track my own dps. It's very simple. Nothing i said went against that. At all. Stop grasping, at this point you just look pathetic.