Would you like an in-game parser?

[RobbieH]

Out of curiosity. The SMN you just mentioned, would you feel justified in kicking them?

I didn't start a vote kick, does it answer your question?

At least one DPS was dead every round by falling, then sometime during adds a tank would fall too.

We were able to get past dragons with one DPS dead and SMN spamming Ruin 2, but then the Healers died for some reason and we wipe.

No vote kicks were started, but someone did start abandon and it ended.

For the record i got in by joining party in progress.

I am going to say it again, that isn't necessarily true. I've seen SMN AoE with 1000 DPS, and most melee can easily outdo 1000 DPS in single target damage. I used SMN here, because obviously they are the best at AoE - it's worse with other jobs. While yes, of equal skill, a person doing AoE will gain over single target, the issue is that you don't see people of equal skill in DF.

You're talking about something different than what i was mentioning, you didn't understand what i was saying or anyone in previous page for that matter.

I said there are gains, which there are even if the rotation is poor.

You're taking it as if they'll become the best DPS with the buffs or that the damage will increase a lot, this is NOT what i said, when you apply a Damage Buff what does it do? It increases damage, minimal increase or not is still an increase.

And without a parser it's the best bet to use on the best AOE dps Job when taking down adds because you don't know if they used Quelling Strikes or simply messed up their initial rotation, is that simple.

if you already use a parse, since you're posting numbers then you shouldn't be complaining about my point to begin with because without a parser you don't know numbers and you can't judge if it's the Dragoon or EOS that's doing better AOE DPS at all even by looking at Hate bar because each skill generates different amounts of hate (that's why i have to QE when doing opener as Bard or tank loses hate) and in an AOE situation is even harder to tell.

[JunseiKei]

I just went into Bismarck Roulette, 3 wipes we didn't beat it, Summoner didn't summon pet a single time, was spamming ruin 2 lol

Anyway, i'm going to say again, putting it on someone who is doing AOE DPS even if badly is still a gain.

It is, but I'd rather let the people pulling their weight feel like they were noticed and just got rewarded.

[RobbieH]

It is, but I'd rather let the people pulling their weight feel like they were noticed and just got rewarded.

Isn't that what commendations are for?

[JunseiKei]

Isn't that what commendations are for?

Unfortunately, limited to only one and I lament the times when the good player leaves before I can click commend. It's also non-existent on a pre-made.

[Kosmos992k]

Unfortunately, limited to only one and I lament the times when the good player leaves before I can click commend. It's also non-existent on a pre-made.

In addition to commendations, make some hair ornaments from the flowers we can grow and hand them out to those who do well....

[Kaurie]

You're talking about something different than what i was mentioning, you didn't understand what i was saying or anyone in previous page for that matter.


I said there are gains, which there are even if the rotation is poor.

You're taking it as if they'll become the best DPS with the buffs or that the damage will increase a lot, this is NOT what i said, when you apply a Damage Buff what does it do? It increases damage, minimal increase or not is still an increase.

And without a parser it's the best bet to use on the best AOE dps Job when taking down adds because you don't know if they used Quelling Strikes or simply messed up their initial rotation, is that simple.

if you already use a parse, since you're posting numbers then you shouldn't be complaining about my point to begin with because without a parser you don't know numbers and you can't judge if it's the Dragoon or EOS that's doing better AOE DPS at all even by looking at Hate bar because each skill generates different amounts of hate (that's why i have to QE when doing opener as Bard or tank loses hate) and in an AOE situation is even harder to tell.

Eh, you replied to me. If we are talking about different things, than that is your issue.

There are not necessarily gains, if the rotation is poor.

I honestly, don't understand what you are arguing in the 3rd sentence. I am saying that an AST will want to place a buff on someone doing 3k DPS over someone doing 2k, because they get the most out of it. Being able to see those numbers helps with that. Making assumptions like

• Highest on Threat Meter
• MNK/BLM single target
• SMN AoE
• Someone is actually doing some sort of AoE with multiple mobs

Are unhelpful in actually determining quickly, easily and confidently that you are applying your buff to the highest DPS player. You may very well be, but you may not be. A parser would make this easier, faster and accurate.

Hate meter on AoE is also not useful, as naturally your primary target will generate more hate.

"And without a parser..." ... that is the point. A parser would make this better. Is it possible for an AST to buff the highest DPS right now? Yes. That doesn't mean that it is easy or quick for them, or that they can be confident in their decision.

[RobbieH]

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What i don't understand is why do you care if you already use it.

Does it bother you other AST don't know who to apply the buff to?

It bothers me way more that they actually use it, do i care? No, it would only bother me if it was in End-Game raiding, but in this case people already use a parser for the most part anyway.

And no one should care about these buffs in DF or Normal Alex to begin with, it helps, is it required? No.

I disagree with in-game parser because the community would turn on each other and would be a toxic fest.

Just because AST could benefit from it is not nearly enough reason to add it to the game.

[Kaurie]

What i don't understand is why do you care if you already use it.

Bothers is a stronger word than I would put it.

I think that a parser would be good for the community. Not having one is not good for the community. I don't lose sleep over it, however.

I think a group parser could help people, while leveling and learning their class, test and see how doing certain changes to their rotation would improve their DPS. This would result in people playing better upon reaching max level. They could then continue to use a parser during grouped content at max level to see how they are comparing to others, and work to improve if they are falling noticeably behind. I also promote providing a better UI to give the player the best possible information to play their job to the best of their ability. The threat meter is great for showing who is approaching taking over threat from the tank - why can a DPS meter not be used to assist an Astrologian.

I care about buffs in all content - including leveling dungeons, nevermind expert or Alex normal. Having something be required, and caring about it are not the same thing. It's not required that I say hello at the beginning of a dungeon, but I care when people do it. It's not required that a tank holds agro in an expert dungeon, but I care when they do it. It's not required for healers to DPS in a dungeon, but I care when they do it. - and so on.

"I disagree with in-game parser because the community would turn on each other and would be a toxic fest." - in reality, this is already the case. Some people will be jerks with or without it, and parsers don't turn people into jerks. That said, I respect your opinion.

Note: I do not play AST, it is my least favourite healer.

[CrystalRainbow]

If it was a personal Parser. IE showed your DPS /Hate Gain/ Healing per 15 second period.
This would let people tweak how they are playing to be better.

However most parsers fail on something like oo the BLM is hitting 1200 and the brd is only hitting 900. But the brd has foe up. So he gets shit on. The Masses don't see the big picture. Only that BRD DPS sucks.

Also I would want it premade full parties only.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

The problem there is that the vast majority of the community won't get better with the addition of a parser. Johnny Chillx isn't going to try to get better as a smn because he sees someone else with higher numbers because it frankly doesn't concern him. I'll say it again, if people want to get better they'll do it on their own, whether it's through experimenting on their own, reading guides, talking with others, etc. Someone doesn't want to do the above for whatever reason? Not gonna care.

On the other hand? The addition of a parser WILL let people be far more toxic than they already are. Want proof? Parsers make everything a competition to see who can do the best numbers. No one will care why a bard is doing less dps than a dragoon, they'll kick the bard regardless because the bard has lower numbers, never mind he's supporting the party with foe's. That ninja doing less dps than the mnk? Nah, forget the ninja's using goad as appropriate and keeping TA on CD, he's still gonna get shot on for not being top deeps.