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[RobbieH]

If you one-shot the encounter then there's no real way to kick a 1-2-3 DPS so they get a free pass. This, however, doesn't mean that it's okay for one member of the team to kick rocks while the rest of the team is putting in effort. It's like playing basketball and one of your team members decides he wants to do cartwheels - even if you win, it wasn't cool of that dude to goof off. XIV, and to an extent most modern MMOs, don't have a focus on teamwork anymore so people think that they don't need to work as a team. "Sure, DPS A isn't pulling his weight, but we beat the boss so why does it matter?", you think and then DPS A goes off to join other DF groups with more of his kind and then DPS A's mentality floods half a group forcing that group to constantly wipe because of them. Had they learned what they were doing wasn't a good thing they would actually try to improve, and if you can visually see that your DPS numbers are lower than the rest of the DPS you'll know exactly what you need to improve on.

That's why you get a static and do content with them, you are paying a sub, so are bad players, every MMO has bad players, if you can't deal with them make a group of good players and go do your stuff, no one is forcing you to play with them, from the moment you use DF you are risking meeting those people.

Like i said they are paying a sub which contributes just like you for a better game, you can't force those people out just because they're bad, if people keep getting kicked they'll give up on the game just because "some" people don't realize they can make a group and do the duties instead of using DF.

This is partly true, but partly wrong. Yes, healers should be DPSing, tanks should be stance dancing, etc. etc. But that doesn't excuse DPS to play poorly. As an example if you have proper healer DPS, proper tank DPS, and 3 out of your 4 DPS are doing alright... then that 4th one who's doing cartwheels is making the run slower, forcing you to see more mechanics, and increasing the odds that you'll wipe or someone will die to them. The shorter the fight, the better.

It's not wrong, we're talking about Normal not Savage, stuff doesn't hit as Hard so there's less to Heal, if the healers are not DPSing even if for a bit, at least one of them, they're also doing a bad Job, especially Scholars with their MP management and Lustrate, even i DPS and use Selene in normal and people don't die, this on min ilvl (230) required to enter.

With all those same conditions and all the DPS putting in work then you've got a much more stable, condensed fight that has a higher chance of getting beaten.

Things will be slower, people will die, Tanks won't use Cooldowns (yes because there's only bad DPS, not bad Tanks or Healers), lose aggro, run around the boss in circles (this was common in ARR for some reason lol), fight for aggro, don't Tank swap, WHM that don't know how powerful Regen is, Scholars that only use EOS and the list goes on.

How many times did i queue for leveling roulette and got into boring Dzemael and Aurum vale, where then i have to aggro every mob "coz exp" and then people do low DPS and i'm stuck with them for 1h, not to mention them not eating the fruit and killing last Boss adds before they pop in Aurum Vale.

Welcome to DF, if you go in expecting everyone to be End Game Raid material then perhaps you shouldn't use DF at all.

[SpookyGhost]

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The excuse that "DF matches you against random people, you shouldn't expect the party to be good" is really flawed. I always expect the party to be good, because I expect if you're going to be participating in team-based content then you're going to want to play your part in said team. If you don't, then I will give you advice or ask you to participate if you're just doing cartwheels. If then you decide to still play poorly or not at all, then I'm starting a vote dismiss on you. You bring up "he pays the same sub you do, you're both equal" - but what you're ignoring is that kicking someone isn't down to just one player deciding to boot someone, it's a vote. If the team thinks your mentality/playstyle doesn't mesh well with theirs, then they have every right to remove you from it.

Willfully ignorant players should be held accountable for their actions - this applies across the board to tanks, healers, and DPS. This is why the JP DF scene thrives - everyone feels like they need to play their part and if they mess up or under perform they feel guilty about it, they don't just go "meh w/e still won doesn't matter lololol".

[RobbieH]

The excuse that "DF matches you against random people, you shouldn't expect the party to be good" is really flawed. I always expect the party to be good

This is like a Job, you go do your work nicely done and then you expect your colleagues to do the same, yet you find yourself sometimes doing THEIR job. And you get paid the same.

Welcome to the human world, real life reflects here.

but what you're ignoring is that kicking someone isn't down to just one player deciding to boot someone, it's a vote. If the team thinks your mentality/playstyle doesn't mesh well with theirs, then they have every right to remove you from it.

Sorry but this is an invalid argument, people like to vote "yes" just because, or they're with friends and there's still the thing that you can still get kicked if the majority votes yes, which doesn't mean others voted no.

I'm going to quote myself from previous page:

There's this one time (somewhere in the last 5 runs i was doing in Research Facility (150 Lore dungeon) so i could finish Ninja i240 Anima), i went ahead and trigger the elevator after 2nd boss to make it a little bit faster, i got warned by the tank not to pull again (apparently triggering the elevator is a pull) or he would kick me, i proceed to ask how is that a pull and got kicked.

This is an example of vote kick abuse and that premade parties prove that voting "yes" is not an argument but rather a choice of "i'm with my friends so i vote yes".

People who are playing with friends will for the most part vote yes, as will they vote no if it's to kick one of their friends.

Willfully ignorant players should be held accountable for their actions

Yeah let's find a way to fire co-workers that are bad while we're at it, then we'll get more bad ones and still find ourselves doing their work.

The same will happen in the game.

This is why the JP DF scene thrives - everyone feels like they need to play their part and if they mess up or under perform they feel guilty about it, they don't just go "meh w/e still won doesn't matter lololol".

Yes, i'm sure ALL JP players are flawless, let's all transfer to JP and leave the bad players to themselves, let's jump ship.

Do you know why they strive? Because they help each other, in Europe and Americas people like to criticize but not help each other at all.

What have people been doing the last few pages? Complain, have they helped "bad players" meanwhile? No.

TL;DR There's a mentor system, when it came out it was nice to show off the crown icon, but 95% of those people didn't help anyone, being them new or old players. No let's all complain, it's easier. Now some of those people who could have been taught the game better are bad players, alright.