Would you like an in-game parser?

[Brannigan]

Kicking someone from a party for playing poorly isn't harassment.

[Inori-Yuzuriha]

Kicking someone from a party for playing poorly isn't harassment.

Yes it is.

[LunarEmerald]

Yes it is.

Well.. if it's a premade and they're party leader: They're free to kick whomever for whatever reason they want. Nothing is off limits. It's their party. Duty Finder is another story, though.

[dragonseth07]

Yes it is.

Really? I can't kick Ice Mages? I have to sit there and wipe repeatedly because of their incompetence? I can't kick Bards who don't sing songs? I have to put up them doing nothing useful? It's not like these are players who just need some quick tips, and they go "Oh, sorry" and get it together. These are players who are terrible and looking for a free carry. We are not obligated to provide them with one.

If a group just can't make a DPS check on a fight, there are two options:

1. Disband
2. Replace players

2 is preferable, and only possible if you know who to replace.

[RobbieH]

Kicking someone from a party for playing poorly isn't harassment.

[KarstenS]

Kicking someone from a party for playing poorly isn't harassment.

We had already an official statement in the forum confirming this as a valid reason to kick.

Seems some already have forgotten this.

[RobbieH]

We had already an official statement in the forum confirming this as a valid reason to kick.

Seems some already have forgotten this.

I didn't say anything O_O

Anyway, valid reason or not is a dumb choice for a simple reason:

Kicking players that are doing a bad job, example, their first time playing that content and they're doing poorly is simply stupid because they have to learn it, if they get kicked how will they learn?

"Oh but there's guides", no there aren't, if you get a new patch and play the content on first few days there's no guides at all, when 3.4 launched there were no guides, only hours later written guides appeared, for example, for normal Alex.

People get kicked from normal Alex on first day, they won't learn, so they have to queue again and risk getting kicked again by doing the same mistake because they didn't learn it, and no one explained them either because they probably don't know as well.

Then people forget that not everyone is equally skilled and there's a big gap between skill level among players in this game, that why for World Firsts teams test (key word, test, hence need training and experience) to see who are the best players in the FC, or even the server is the players choose to join those FCs.

Kicking players while they are still learning is absolutely stupid even from an official perspective because if it happens too much (they're actually bad players) they'll give up on the game and subs will be lost for the sake of epeen that can't be bothered to help/explain people that are learning.

There i said something now.

[Legion88]

Anyway, valid reason or not is a dumb choice for a simple reason:

Kicking players that are doing a bad job, example, their first time playing that content and they're doing poorly is simply stupid because they have to learn it, if they get kicked how will they learn?

Counter example: What is with the 1-2-3-DDs? I don't feel like i should someone explain on 60 how a rotation works, because he had 60 levels just to read his skills and figure out a suboptimalbutgood rotation by himself or look for a job guide or ask people outside of the duties.

Playing poorly isn't "you lost enochian/BotD while learning the fight"*.
Playing poorly is "spamming Thrust-Combo/Ice Mage at 60"*.
*Just examples for this particular subject

[RobbieH]

Counter example: What is with the 1-2-3-DDs? I don't feel like i should someone explain on 60 how a rotation works, because he had 60 levels just to read his skills and figure out a suboptimalbutgood rotation by himself or look for a job guide or ask people outside of the duties.

Playing poorly isn't "you lost enochian/BotD while learning the fight"*.
Playing poorly is "spamming Thrust-Combo/Ice Mage at 60"*.
*Just examples for this particular subject

Do Dungeon bosses have enrage?

Is everyone else doing proper DPS in normal Alex? Then you shouldn't care about 1-2-3 DDs.

[Legion88]

Do Dungeon bosses have enrage?

Unfortunately not...

Is everyone else doing proper DPS in normal Alex? Then you shouldn't care about 1-2-3 DDs.

So you are defending intentionally poor play only topped by AA-DDs or AFK-DDs?
And what do you refer to with proper? The maximum potential DPS for their gear or just enough to carry his own weight? For me proper DPS is the second one.