Would you like an in-game parser?

[Joe_Schmoe]

Topic is back, lets go people.

After all this time, I still want at least a personal parser. A possibility to toggle on a group parser would be a nice option tho.

No. This was one of the reasons I quit playing WoW. It was no longer a fun game over there, people decided to turn the game into World of Accounting, which ruined it for me. Admittedly a personal one would be nice, just to be able to see how we're all performing and how it all fits together, but it'd be all too easy for someone to post the numbers in chat anyway. Squeenix would have to make this practice a reportable offense (harassment), which would just mean more work on their part. Best to just not even allow it to begin with.

[CookieMonsta]

Has it ever been difficult to tell who isn't pulling their weight?


The duty finder will still be plagued with lazy layabouts because they don't care what you think, they don't care if you have a number to judge them on, they don't care because they wont ever see you again nor will you remember them if you mysteriously actually see them again.

The only content this could effect is people pushing bleeding edge content and honestly a vast majority of those people use better tools than anything SE will cobble together.

Yes and No, while the program which must not be named does Parse reasonably well. Nothing 3rd party can match the kind of internal performance counters that SE can access via their Dev API. For example, DoTs/HoTs are still estimated because it is simply not logged, so are DoT/HoT crits. The Official parser will not only be easier to use, but also more accurate.

[Jynx]

The Official parser will not only be easier to use, but also more accurate.

That's assuming they.

1. Make it at all.
2. Make it well.
3. Make it they way you want it.

Considering how divisive a topic this is, if a parser is ever added to the game (Officially) be sure it will be riddled with limitations and restrictions on how the data is displayed.

Sure it might be a minor step up, but that seems to be allot of work for something that's a minor improvement and not endorsed by the whole community and even then only useful to a small fraction of the people who would use it. I've said it before and I'll say it again there really isn't a real reason the developers should focus on this at all. I really has terrible return on investment for the developers and the players and that's before you even bother to think about the negative consequences that come with the whole shebang being "Legalized" to the player base.

For every person who actually understands their parse and not just "Big Numbaz is bettah" there will be 100 people who sneer at people because he tunnel visioned and got higher DPS numbers even if his incoming damage was skewed because of it, and the player who did little DPS was doing all the mechanics for him. These kind of analytics and metrics aren't made for the mainstream playerbase so why are people trying so hard to force it on them?

I am quite sure there will never be an official parser, but what I am 100% sure of is, that if they add it one day, there won't be people who just autoattack anymore.

You talk about this as if there are examples of this working elsewhere. Take a hard look at WoW and how little parsers have effected the playerbase people still do jack all and they don't get booted.

I also have to question if you seriously need a parser to see that someone isn't pulling their weight. It's not hard and takes the most minimal sense of awareness (That any person who wants a parse in the first place would have) to notice your team-mate isn't doing anything.

[MeiUshu]

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you scare me even more, considering cyber bullying *just* a side effect is......I cant even find the words for it. All the more reasons NOT to give this tool in the hands of those that would just use it to insult another player that MAYBE just maybe you know is in the process to bettering himself or herself it just happens that you are with him (generic word) in the moment he is stepping up...

No, unfortunately, the more the pro parsers post in here and the more it is obvious that all they want is a mean to judge others and have figures support that so that they can have a justification to get rid of them in the most horrible fashion there is, including justifying a sort of cyber bullying when maybe just maybe again you know those people that had low numbers enters into the category of what Jynx described some posts prior to this.

The playerbase is NOT ready for it until the tool is being perceived as a mean to condam rather then help. NONE of you that are pro parser ever spoke to use the numbers to help others NONE in the so many pages back. In all the 128 pages FEW used that word.

You really want more proves of how WRONG the introduction of this system would be ? it requires knowledge to understand numbers not juste my number is higher then yours so there I boot you.

Sorry..no no and no

[StrejdaTom]

I am quite sure there will never be an official parser, but what I am 100% sure of is, that if they add it one day, there won't be people who just autoattack anymore.
Such people would be kicked from any party with no mercy and honestly I see nothing wrong with that, by going into duty with other people and then just doing autoattacks or rotating 2-3 skills people are being 10 times more toxic than anyone who would kick them. Wasting time of X other people who literally carry you trough while you don't even care is the behavior that needs to go.

Everything can be misused, if everyone was afraid of that, we would still live in stone age. The only thing that would happen to DF after implementation of official parser is, that dungeons would stop taking 40+ minutes if one DPS decides to play other game on second monitor while autoattacking/ using random macro with 3s wait command etc.

[SeriouslySalty]

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Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it. The Internet is one of the meanest places that someone can visit. It's a place of anonymity where anyone can say anything, what do you expect? If you can't handle people calling you names on the Internet then don't be on the Internet.

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? This can even be a tool used for mentors to help people with their rotations. At the moment it is hard to see what people are doing wrong but with a parser it would become so much more clear; mentors will be able to help newbies and people who are looking to improve can help themselves.

I'm sorry but the argument of "people are going to bully other who have significantly less DPS than everyone else because they aren't even trying" isn't valid in my eyes.

[SeriouslySalty]

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No, it is usually clear when someone isn't pulling their own weight. A parser would simply serve to prove that numerically. Just because most of the game is "semi-afk"able doesn't mean I want to take more time to complete a dungeon than what is necessary.

People want to improve at all levels, why not help them do so? Doesn't matter if you're lvl 20 or lvl 60, a parser can benefit everyone. The overall skill of this game's community is so poor it is absurd; this is mainly due to SE giving players high level gear for little effort but that's a different topic altogether. A parser would be a meaningful tool for players to improve themselves, and for mentors to help sprouts as well. When all is said and done, I truly don't want a parser just so I or others can justify kicking another person in a DF dungeon. I want it so that the community can improve as a whole.

[Hammerhorn]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes YES !!!!!

[MeiUshu]

Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it. The Internet is one of the meanest places that someone can visit. It's a place of anonymity where anyone can say anything, what do you expect? If you can't handle people calling you names on the Internet then don't be on the Internet.

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? This can even be a tool used for mentors to help people with their rotations. At the moment it is hard to see what people are doing wrong but with a parser it would become so much more clear; mentors will be able to help newbies and people who are looking to improve can help themselves. I'm sorry but the argument of "people are going to bully other who have significantly less DPS than everyone else because they aren't even trying" isn't valid in my eyes.

Why do you need aboslutely to find a way to criticize someone ? is like you couldnt live without that. Is that sooo vital for you (and those like you ) to absolutel yhave to check people in order to find a fault to a point that you need a tool to make sure you didnt let go something ? is it that bad your need ?

Besides do you know how to read and interprete those numbers?

Sorry AGAIN your post shows that implementing a parser is NOT going to be used as it is intended. You clearly stated like others did that you do not want this tool for the betterment but to justify yourself to point fingers and give yourself a reason to kick or demean or berate (that you resumed by criticize) even if you have no clues (probably) how to read the numbers. Numbers do not always reflect the reality if they are not put into context.

No again, not *mature* enough to use this tool sorry. The more you (general you) go on the more it is obvious what use the overall populace will do with such instrument.

[SeriouslySalty]

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A parser is not difficult to understand. While I sometimes agree that "numbers do not always reflect the reality if they are not put into context", that is rarely ever the case. With an official parser that will never be the case.

You are too fixated with the consequences of an official parser. I've mentioned it in previous posts how it can be helpful; I will put it in list format so you understand better.

PROS:
1. Will help with players improving themselves
2. Will help with mentors improving sprouts
3. Lazy players will have incentive to play better or get kicked
4. Overall skill of the game's player base rises as a result of points 1-3

CONS:
1. People will get bullied sometimes

In the cases where someone uses the numbers to justify putting another player down, that player can use the mute feature. I do NOT want a parser to criticize people. I want it to be used as a tool by the community to improve the base skill of this game.