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  1. #1261
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    Istaru's Avatar
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    M'telihgo Feilyon
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySalty View Post
    A parser would be a great thing for the game. It will encourage lazy players to be more efficient in dungeons/raids/etc if everyone is able to see their D/HPS. If people are scared of being "cyber-bullied", well the mute command exists for a reason.
    I disagree. Lazy players don't care if their DPS is terrible. Why? Because they're lazy. Getting better and improving would take work and effort. It could help people who want to grow but have nothing to measure themselves against.
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  2. #1262
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    Seriously Salty
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    I disagree. Lazy players don't care if their DPS is terrible. Why? Because they're lazy. Getting better and improving would take work and effort. It could help people who want to grow but have nothing to measure themselves against.
    I think that if they saw their DPS, and the group can see their DPS, they would be more obligated to improve. You can make the argument that they are lazy now because no one can see how they're performing. If an official parser was introduced and the lazy players were still under-performing by a lot, well then the rest of the group knows who to kick.
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  3. #1263
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    Lyneya Rose
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    My vote is yes - I would love to know where I stand in terms of a number.
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  4. #1264
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    Khemorex's Avatar
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    Khalindra Nela
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    I disagree. Lazy players don't care if their DPS is terrible. Why? Because they're lazy. Getting better and improving would take work and effort. It could help people who want to grow but have nothing to measure themselves against.
    where do u take the right to call someone lazy when u know nothing about em? :P they could be hard working in rl and be tired , and maybe have like 2h to play to get some tomestones :P and u come here and tell em that they are lazy? :P
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  5. #1265
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    Thendra Cyril-gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    where do u take the right to call someone lazy when u know nothing about em? :P they could be hard working in rl and be tired , and maybe have like 2h to play to get some tomestones :P and u come here and tell em that they are lazy? :P
    When you are involved with other people, other peoples time and energy are also in consideration so yes, they have the right to call them lazy, this is not a one way street.
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  6. #1266
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    where do u take the right to call someone lazy when u know nothing about em? :P they could be hard working in rl and be tired , and maybe have like 2h to play to get some tomestones :P and u come here and tell em that they are lazy? :P
    Yes. If you log into the game and are half-assing a dungeon or raid at other people's expense then you are being lazy.
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  7. #1267
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    WinterLuna's Avatar
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    Indira Light
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    Twintania
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    Astrologian Lv 69
    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    where do u take the right to call someone lazy when u know nothing about em? :P they could be hard working in rl and be tired , and maybe have like 2h to play to get some tomestones :P and u come here and tell em that they are lazy? :P
    If they're that tired that they're going to log in and barely play, which is also affecting other people, then they shouldn't log in at all unless they're going to play by themselves.

    People mean lazy as in playing the game lazily, not that they're a lazy person in general.
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  8. #1268
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    where do u take the right to call someone lazy when u know nothing about em? :P they could be hard working in rl and be tired , and maybe have like 2h to play to get some tomestones :P and u come here and tell em that they are lazy? :P
    If you aren't mentally prepared to play a game with other people, you honestly shouldn't play. This isn't about who has what right. It's just a matter of consideration. By being too tired to do your rotations, you are making the run take longer than normal and wasting everyone else's time.
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  9. #1269
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySalty View Post
    I think that if they saw their DPS, and the group can see their DPS, they would be more obligated to improve. You can make the argument that they are lazy now because no one can see how they're performing. If an official parser was introduced and the lazy players were still under-performing by a lot, well then the rest of the group knows who to kick.
    Has it ever been difficult to tell who isn't pulling their weight?

    Unless your pushing bleeding edge content I'm certain that most content of the game the entire party can be semi-afk to complete. So in the end how does this effect anyone even if you have a metric to measure people. What does this matter to the "Bads" everyone likes to say they would immediately boot if only they had a number to throw in their faces!

    The duty finder will still be plagued with lazy layabouts because they don't care what you think, they don't care if you have a number to judge them on, they don't care because they wont ever see you again nor will you remember them if you mysteriously actually see them again.

    The only content this could effect is people pushing bleeding edge content and honestly a vast majority of those people use better tools than anything SE will cobble together.
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  10. #1270
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    Istaru's Avatar
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    M'telihgo Feilyon
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Has it ever been difficult to tell who isn't pulling their weight?

    Unless your pushing bleeding edge content I'm certain that most content of the game the entire party can be semi-afk to complete. So in the end how does this effect anyone even if you have a metric to measure people. What does this matter to the "Bads" everyone likes to say they would immediately boot if only they had a number to throw in their faces!

    The duty finder will still be plagued with lazy layabouts because they don't care what you think, they don't care if you have a number to judge them on, they don't care because they wont ever see you again nor will you remember them if you mysteriously actually see them again.

    The only content this could effect is people pushing bleeding edge content and honestly a vast majority of those people use better tools than anything SE will cobble together.
    This so much!!
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