Would you like an in-game parser?

[SeriouslySalty]

I disagree. Lazy players don't care if their DPS is terrible. Why? Because they're lazy. Getting better and improving would take work and effort. It could help people who want to grow but have nothing to measure themselves against.

I think that if they saw their DPS, and the group can see their DPS, they would be more obligated to improve. You can make the argument that they are lazy now because no one can see how they're performing. If an official parser was introduced and the lazy players were still under-performing by a lot, well then the rest of the group knows who to kick.

[Jynx]

I think that if they saw their DPS, and the group can see their DPS, they would be more obligated to improve. You can make the argument that they are lazy now because no one can see how they're performing. If an official parser was introduced and the lazy players were still under-performing by a lot, well then the rest of the group knows who to kick.

Has it ever been difficult to tell who isn't pulling their weight?

Unless your pushing bleeding edge content I'm certain that most content of the game the entire party can be semi-afk to complete. So in the end how does this effect anyone even if you have a metric to measure people. What does this matter to the "Bads" everyone likes to say they would immediately boot if only they had a number to throw in their faces!

The duty finder will still be plagued with lazy layabouts because they don't care what you think, they don't care if you have a number to judge them on, they don't care because they wont ever see you again nor will you remember them if you mysteriously actually see them again.

The only content this could effect is people pushing bleeding edge content and honestly a vast majority of those people use better tools than anything SE will cobble together.

[Istaru]

Has it ever been difficult to tell who isn't pulling their weight?

Unless your pushing bleeding edge content I'm certain that most content of the game the entire party can be semi-afk to complete. So in the end how does this effect anyone even if you have a metric to measure people. What does this matter to the "Bads" everyone likes to say they would immediately boot if only they had a number to throw in their faces!

The duty finder will still be plagued with lazy layabouts because they don't care what you think, they don't care if you have a number to judge them on, they don't care because they wont ever see you again nor will you remember them if you mysteriously actually see them again.

The only content this could effect is people pushing bleeding edge content and honestly a vast majority of those people use better tools than anything SE will cobble together.

This so much!!

[CookieMonsta]

Has it ever been difficult to tell who isn't pulling their weight?


The duty finder will still be plagued with lazy layabouts because they don't care what you think, they don't care if you have a number to judge them on, they don't care because they wont ever see you again nor will you remember them if you mysteriously actually see them again.

The only content this could effect is people pushing bleeding edge content and honestly a vast majority of those people use better tools than anything SE will cobble together.

Yes and No, while the program which must not be named does Parse reasonably well. Nothing 3rd party can match the kind of internal performance counters that SE can access via their Dev API. For example, DoTs/HoTs are still estimated because it is simply not logged, so are DoT/HoT crits. The Official parser will not only be easier to use, but also more accurate.

[Jynx]

The Official parser will not only be easier to use, but also more accurate.

That's assuming they.

1. Make it at all.
2. Make it well.
3. Make it they way you want it.

Considering how divisive a topic this is, if a parser is ever added to the game (Officially) be sure it will be riddled with limitations and restrictions on how the data is displayed.

Sure it might be a minor step up, but that seems to be allot of work for something that's a minor improvement and not endorsed by the whole community and even then only useful to a small fraction of the people who would use it. I've said it before and I'll say it again there really isn't a real reason the developers should focus on this at all. I really has terrible return on investment for the developers and the players and that's before you even bother to think about the negative consequences that come with the whole shebang being "Legalized" to the player base.

For every person who actually understands their parse and not just "Big Numbaz is bettah" there will be 100 people who sneer at people because he tunnel visioned and got higher DPS numbers even if his incoming damage was skewed because of it, and the player who did little DPS was doing all the mechanics for him. These kind of analytics and metrics aren't made for the mainstream playerbase so why are people trying so hard to force it on them?

I am quite sure there will never be an official parser, but what I am 100% sure of is, that if they add it one day, there won't be people who just autoattack anymore.

You talk about this as if there are examples of this working elsewhere. Take a hard look at WoW and how little parsers have effected the playerbase people still do jack all and they don't get booted.

I also have to question if you seriously need a parser to see that someone isn't pulling their weight. It's not hard and takes the most minimal sense of awareness (That any person who wants a parse in the first place would have) to notice your team-mate isn't doing anything.

[SeriouslySalty]

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No, it is usually clear when someone isn't pulling their own weight. A parser would simply serve to prove that numerically. Just because most of the game is "semi-afk"able doesn't mean I want to take more time to complete a dungeon than what is necessary.

People want to improve at all levels, why not help them do so? Doesn't matter if you're lvl 20 or lvl 60, a parser can benefit everyone. The overall skill of this game's community is so poor it is absurd; this is mainly due to SE giving players high level gear for little effort but that's a different topic altogether. A parser would be a meaningful tool for players to improve themselves, and for mentors to help sprouts as well. When all is said and done, I truly don't want a parser just so I or others can justify kicking another person in a DF dungeon. I want it so that the community can improve as a whole.