Would you like an in-game parser?

[SeriouslySalty]

A parser would be a great thing for the game. It will encourage lazy players to be more efficient in dungeons/raids/etc if everyone is able to see their D/HPS. If people are scared of being "cyber-bullied", well the mute command exists for a reason.

[MeiUshu]

A parser would be a great thing for the game. It will encourage lazy players to be more efficient in dungeons/raids/etc if everyone is able to see their D/HPS. If people are scared of being "cyber-bullied", well the mute command exists for a reason.

But doesnt work in a dungeon unless it changed. Why do you even second the cyber bullying by allowing a mean to do so..sometimes you scare me people
Here again a good post of why parsers should NOT ve introduced ever other then personal one if ever

[SeriouslySalty]

But doesnt work in a dungeon unless it changed. Why do you even second the cyber bullying by allowing a mean to do so..sometimes you scare me people
Here again a good post of why parsers should NOT ve introduced ever other then personal one if ever

I'm not seconding cyber-bullying. I agree that it would be a side-effect of introducing a parser, but that's just the way it is. It's no different in FPS where you can see everyone's K/D. Yeah people will give you shit if you are under-performing; in the long run it is better for the player so that they are encouraged to improve, and it's better for the group as well. Unlike in FPS, in this game the only real reason for under-performing is pure laziness.

I couldn't understand the rest of your post.

[MeiUshu]

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you scare me even more, considering cyber bullying *just* a side effect is......I cant even find the words for it. All the more reasons NOT to give this tool in the hands of those that would just use it to insult another player that MAYBE just maybe you know is in the process to bettering himself or herself it just happens that you are with him (generic word) in the moment he is stepping up...

No, unfortunately, the more the pro parsers post in here and the more it is obvious that all they want is a mean to judge others and have figures support that so that they can have a justification to get rid of them in the most horrible fashion there is, including justifying a sort of cyber bullying when maybe just maybe again you know those people that had low numbers enters into the category of what Jynx described some posts prior to this.

The playerbase is NOT ready for it until the tool is being perceived as a mean to condam rather then help. NONE of you that are pro parser ever spoke to use the numbers to help others NONE in the so many pages back. In all the 128 pages FEW used that word.

You really want more proves of how WRONG the introduction of this system would be ? it requires knowledge to understand numbers not juste my number is higher then yours so there I boot you.

Sorry..no no and no

[SeriouslySalty]

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Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it. The Internet is one of the meanest places that someone can visit. It's a place of anonymity where anyone can say anything, what do you expect? If you can't handle people calling you names on the Internet then don't be on the Internet.

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? This can even be a tool used for mentors to help people with their rotations. At the moment it is hard to see what people are doing wrong but with a parser it would become so much more clear; mentors will be able to help newbies and people who are looking to improve can help themselves.

I'm sorry but the argument of "people are going to bully other who have significantly less DPS than everyone else because they aren't even trying" isn't valid in my eyes.

[MeiUshu]

Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it. The Internet is one of the meanest places that someone can visit. It's a place of anonymity where anyone can say anything, what do you expect? If you can't handle people calling you names on the Internet then don't be on the Internet.

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? This can even be a tool used for mentors to help people with their rotations. At the moment it is hard to see what people are doing wrong but with a parser it would become so much more clear; mentors will be able to help newbies and people who are looking to improve can help themselves. I'm sorry but the argument of "people are going to bully other who have significantly less DPS than everyone else because they aren't even trying" isn't valid in my eyes.

Why do you need aboslutely to find a way to criticize someone ? is like you couldnt live without that. Is that sooo vital for you (and those like you ) to absolutel yhave to check people in order to find a fault to a point that you need a tool to make sure you didnt let go something ? is it that bad your need ?

Besides do you know how to read and interprete those numbers?

Sorry AGAIN your post shows that implementing a parser is NOT going to be used as it is intended. You clearly stated like others did that you do not want this tool for the betterment but to justify yourself to point fingers and give yourself a reason to kick or demean or berate (that you resumed by criticize) even if you have no clues (probably) how to read the numbers. Numbers do not always reflect the reality if they are not put into context.

No again, not *mature* enough to use this tool sorry. The more you (general you) go on the more it is obvious what use the overall populace will do with such instrument.

[SeriouslySalty]

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A parser is not difficult to understand. While I sometimes agree that "numbers do not always reflect the reality if they are not put into context", that is rarely ever the case. With an official parser that will never be the case.

You are too fixated with the consequences of an official parser. I've mentioned it in previous posts how it can be helpful; I will put it in list format so you understand better.

PROS:
1. Will help with players improving themselves
2. Will help with mentors improving sprouts
3. Lazy players will have incentive to play better or get kicked
4. Overall skill of the game's player base rises as a result of points 1-3

CONS:
1. People will get bullied sometimes

In the cases where someone uses the numbers to justify putting another player down, that player can use the mute feature. I do NOT want a parser to criticize people. I want it to be used as a tool by the community to improve the base skill of this game.

[JDR388]

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people.

Isn't one of the primary points of the argument that you can use the parser to push others to play better? Consider that in dungeons you cannot send private messages to each other so any communication you have is public with the rest of the party. I am curious how you envision a conversation like that playing out. Even with the best intentions I think that it is very difficult to have that conversation without coming across as though you want to shame the individual which is really just bullying by other means. So I think your point about bullying, whether it is intended or not, is moot because the conversation itself will be more frequently read as bullying and shaming regardless of its intention.

Furthermore your numbered points consistently lean on the assumption that the majority of the playerbase actually wants to improve. I know from my experience as an educator that there is a very big difference between a student who wants to learn and a student who does not. No numerically based metric is going to make someone want to improve, especially if they have already learned that improvement is not necessary for the kind of content they want to play. In this sense you are also asking for players to conform to your idea of what a "good" player is but a "good" player may not mean a player that does the best dps to everyone.

That said I honestly couldn't care less about whether a parser is in the game or not. The opposite argument has equal problems and is often mired in emotional appeals. I think you might be better off attacking those points instead.

[SeriouslySalty]

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What I really mean when I say "bully" is verbal abuse, I should have made that more clear. I don't think that constructive criticism can classify as bullying. I guess you are right in that regard that a simple statement of "monk use your rockbreaker" can be interpreted as bullying seeing as how everyone is so sensitive to everything these days.

My points were aimed at people that are actively looking to improve. Of course there will be people that won't want to improve no matter what, but that's not the demographic the parser is aimed towards. There will also be players that would look to improve with a parser; seeing their numbers might give them motivation to doing higher DPS. Being a good player is more about being mechanically sound. When you have two DPS on your team that you believe are already mechanically sound, how do you compare them after that? With how much damage they are doing, of course.

[Khemorex]

Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it.

just coz its the internet does it mean that you have to forget ur manners ^^

I think people should work more on their rage control ability first , but thats just me :P