Would you like an in-game parser?

[mandodo69]

We kicked her from the group cuz she refused to even try. In this situation, a parser would have shown her that by using Heavy Thrust and buffs (and if possible DoT and Chaos Thrust Combo) her damage would go up.

Parser wont help with this at all. if the moron cannot see that the skill states it adds dmg for x amount of time or just flat out cant read the tool tips, then they should, honestly, not be playing any mmo. Not WoW, GW2, ESO, nothing.

this has nothing to do with proving dmg numbers and such, this is about a person who refuses to learn a rotation and simply READ your tool tips/action help/item help box. Like everybody does.

[mandodo69]

Yes, yes, all of my YES. I really want SE to add an in-game parser already so I can optimize how I play during encounters, learn from the results with data to back it up, and improve as a player. Not only on an individual level, a whole group can reap the benefits of a parser where players can help each other out and become better at the game. While there may be some players who abuse parsers as an object to inflate their egos and harass those they don't find to be playing to an extreme ideal, such incidents can be dealt with by reporting such offenders and potentially sending them to the GM's gaol. A parser is merely a tool, and in the right hands it can help a lot of players improve and assist one another.

And then you have the issue of people just flat out abusing the report system for parsers.

Gloating is NOT a bannable offense nor is it even frowned upon.

[Campi]

An ingame-parser would be really nice

I don't know, why people are afraid of it..

[KarstenS]

Now, some wont let me do Alex because there using a parser or some crap, anyway, they wont let me in. So, now I can't learn. I guess I can go watch a video sure but, if I dont reach, X amount of DPS, i'll be kicked.

Sorry to hurt your feeling. But before starting a raid you have to make your homework. Learning how to play your class, especially as a DPS, is something that has do be done before you want to do content where damage matters that much. Within the content you have enough to do by learning mechanics and how to adapt you rotation along the machanics. This is not the place to learn how to deal damage at all. Nobody can say that you will ever reach the goal. with that opinion you would do only one thing: waste the time of the 7 others, that are not able to make real progress because of you.

[SlyRoyale]

Now, parsers will hurt the community. I'll explain, by using a parser, you single out the weak players. By doing this, you stifle them from being able to learn and advance and get good. Now, some wont let me do Alex because there using a parser or some crap, anyway, they wont let me in. So, now I can't learn. I guess I can go watch a video sure but, if I dont reach, X amount of DPS, i'll be kicked.

I, as many do, learn from first hand experience. We already have ilvl's to gate us, do we need the community policing who gets to do what because a parser told them so?

No.

Parsers don't just reveal the weaker links in a group. They show why. This alone does not "stifle them from being able to learn and advance and get good." It simply shows them why they're not doing that well in detail. After all, mistakes and results prove to be valuable teachers to help us advance. We learn from them, we take the information they have shown us and we progress. An in-game parser will help strengthen the community and proper use of it will encourage others to ask how they can get better. The only ones who will not use a parser properly are those who are afraid of being called out on being bad and show no willingness to improve, or elitists who hold unrealistic expectations who would not hesitate to dismiss someone from not putting out numbers similar to some of the best players in the world.

A parser should never be used as a gate, but a reference tool to help us improve. The fact that you express concerns about the community blindly following what a parser says tells us that you don't have a proper understanding on how a parser can be used in a beneficial manner.

And then you have the issue of people just flat out abusing the report system for parsers.

Gloating is NOT a bannable offense nor is it even frowned upon.

It's more about harassment than it is waving around the e-peen, which I should've been more clear on stating. Unfortunately, there are people who abuse parsers based on unrealistic expectations they may hold, or outright abuse it as a means to grief others. This mindset must not be tolerated and should be expunged with extreme prejudice. The GMs, to their credit, do take harassment reports seriously and will investigate the matter. I am confident that suspensions would be meted out if a sanctioned in-game parser was abused for purposes it was not intended for.

Please do not encourage fear-mongering against parsers. Encourage informative playing, which is what a parser would help realize.

[Reisui]

Parser wont help with this at all. if the moron cannot see that the skill states it adds dmg for x amount of time or just flat out cant read the tool tips, then they should, honestly, not be playing any mmo. Not WoW, GW2, ESO, nothing.

this has nothing to do with proving dmg numbers and such, this is about a person who refuses to learn a rotation and simply READ your tool tips/action help/item help box. Like everybody does.

She said she would only believe it if she sees she performs poorly, which a parser can in fact show you

[Seraphix2407]

Ah this thread is alive again. Look at how many people fail dps check on niddhogg normal mode. They wont get clear unless being carried, if not. Good, should teach them a lesson to get better

[mandodo69]

She said she would only believe it if she sees she performs poorly, which a parser can in fact show you

Okay, easy as hell. Pop Heavey Thrust and hit a dummy and look at the numbers. Cant see them? Use chat like the rest of us do.

Because somebody is trolling your group by being vindictive ON PURPOSE, does not mean you need a parser to tell them that Heavy thrust gives a Damage boost.

If that was the case, a parser would be in game.

[Campi]

I'll explain, by using a parser, you single out the weak players. By doing this, you stifle them from being able to learn and advance and get good. Now, some wont let me do Alex because there using a parser or some crap, anyway, they wont let me in. So, now I can't learn. I guess I can go watch a video sure but, if I dont reach, X amount of DPS, i'll be kicked.

I, as many do, learn from first hand experience.

Ok, easy as hell
Optimize your rotation and dps before you go into dungeons
Just watch the numbers you like so much
Then you can learn the mechanics

[mandodo69]

Ok, easy as hell
Optimize your rotation and dps before you go into dungeons
Just watch the numbers you like so much
Then you can learn the mechanics

Let me ask you this, why do you have to optimize your rotation?

Let me explain what I mean. I have all my skills on my hotbar. I never have to change them around at all for anything.

For a dungeon, i use the skills best suited for said dungeon. I know of NOBODY who re does their hot bar or even has to prep for a regular dungeon. Or hard mode for that. Since beta, i have hardly had any issues with any group and about 80% were duty finder.

I guess i should have said EXAMPLE when bringing up what you quoted by me. here, i'll actually change it so it does not confuse other.