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  1. #1101
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    Arawn Wymer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    No,
    Enochian is 56. Bliz 4, 58. Thats 2 levels where you learn to use Enochian and Maintain. You have 4 levels to learn how to use Enochian. 4levels you know the skill exist, you dont ignore it. Ofc people learn shower than others, keep in mind thats why we having levling dungeons so people can learn in there and not outside, besides the lvl 60 skill. I refuse to go BLM in roulettes because I dont know how to play it.
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  2. #1102
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    That's your play style, and that's perfectly fine. Then you have people on the opposite end that learn best by actually doing, which is where the phrase, 'Thrown in on the deep end come to mind.
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  3. #1103
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix2407 View Post
    I refuse to go BLM in roulettes because I dont know how to play it.
    But see, that's part of our point. Shouldn't you be able to go into something like a roulette on a job you aren't 100% confident with to get more comfortable on it in group situations? Shouldn't casual content like dungeons be more relaxed so you don't have to worry about playing 100% all the time?
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  4. #1104
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    You are playing with 3 others. Why is it all me me me me. Sounds more selfish than anything.
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  5. #1105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    But see, that's part of our point. Shouldn't you be able to go into something like a roulette on a job you aren't 100% confident with to get more comfortable on it in group situations? Shouldn't casual content like dungeons be more relaxed so you don't have to worry about playing 100% all the time?
    You should be comfortable enough to be able to go in and never drop your buffs like Enochian or Blood of the Dragon (while still using Fire IV/Geirskogul) unless there are mechanics that force it. If you can't do that, you should spend an hour or two on a dummy.
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  6. #1106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix2407 View Post
    You are playing with 3 others. Why is it all me me me me. Sounds more selfish than anything.
    Ironically, you can pretty much say that about both sides in this debate and it'd be equally fitting.
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  7. #1107
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    That's your play style, and that's perfectly fine.
    There is no alternative playstyle to "learning and performing your job". You are condoning people simply not contributing to fights, it doesn't matter if you are in ex roulette or savage, if you don't contribute then you are hindering the team, and you seem to support that. I'm all for messing around, me and some LS people sometimes go into big bridge or other easy content and see how low an ilvl we can get before we can't beat it, but I'm not going to force a DF run to tolerate that, no matter how easy the content is, because that's rude. And as people have said, if I pull a bunch of mobs and don't use CDs on my PLD (cue the healer yelling at me), I cannot say "I play how I want", because that is the origin of toxicity in this case, not "parser mentality".

    The example with enochian: what should have happened is that the player commented on skill not being used, and the player explaining that they werent totally comfortable using it yet. This answer might upset people in Ex primals, but in a dungeon the worst you will get from the majority is either acceptance or if you are lucky, help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Ironically, you can pretty much say that about both sides in this debate and it'd be equally fitting.
    Pretty sure 3 people is a larger amount than one person
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 06-01-2016 at 12:11 AM.

  8. #1108
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    So I have to adjust to people who have no clue on their class? Fine by me i wont use cooldowns then. And also i dont expect 100%in roulettes i expect knowledge of the class you enter with. Btw you do things in levling dungeons too, thats why you get your skill while levling so you learn how to use them.
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  9. #1109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    You should be comfortable enough to be able to go in and never drop your buffs like Enochian or Blood of the Dragon (while still using Fire IV/Geirskogul) unless there are mechanics that force it. If you can't do that, you should spend an hour or two on a dummy.
    How is a dummy going to remind you about those though? How is a dummy going to teach you to use or maintain anything while you're running around fighting groups of mobs? For that matter, how is a parser going to remind you about those too because that is the topic of discussion here, right?
    Seriously, are you going to wipe the party for forgetting about them? Should you be using them, yes. Do people need to get bent out of shape if you don't/forget? No. I mean, "Hey, you know, Enochian gives you a 5% boost to your magic damage. You should try keeping it up more." is far better than saying "Yo bot, why aren't you using Enochian?"

    I mean I go in dungeons on Astro occasionally and one of the things I always seem to need to remember is which skill is my Esuna equivalent and where I put it on my hot bars. It doesn't help that many astro skills look alike to me too with like little swirly things and balls of different colors lol. But if I didn't have a need to use Esuna (or whatever the Astro equivalent is called) I probably wouldn't have looked for it either.
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    Last edited by Reiryuu; 06-01-2016 at 12:45 AM.

  10. #1110
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    People have botted before and people plays like bots, thats the Sad part. Also like you said dummy does Jack shit when you are in an actuall fight. But keeping up your buff can be taught on a dummy, you Just adjust in the fight if anything. Its not about wiping a group Coz one person dont use their skill. Just use the skill you get while you lvl up. Simple.
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