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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    I think you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I am saying that the parser is against the ToS, and that harassment is against the ToS. You will be banned for harassing someone. You will be banned for harassing someone based on a parser. You will not be banned for a parser. Therefore, the parser clause is not actually enforced and only the harassment clause is reinforced. Which makes the parser clause either redundant, incomplete, or incorrect.
    Um, I did quote the TOS there. Harassment is one thing. Using a parser is one thing. Using both is two "wrongs" I suppose. I, personally, have never heard of someone being banned simply for using a parser until the people just above me here mentioned it. I thought I heard Yoshida say he didn't really mind parsing so long as it wasn't abused, but I could be wrong on that and it's late here so I'm tired and my memory is failing. But they're not really redundant. One says no unauthorized 3rd party software. The other one says don't harass people and that includes things other than parsed numbers. Now, I do remember someone on either Masamune or my current server (Valefor)-- it was a long time ago and I can't remember which server I was on at the time, who got banned for being a douche and harassing some Japanese players... so I don't really get how they are redundant or being weighed out over other forms of harassment...? Is my brain just totally going dead here?
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Um, I did quote the TOS there. Harassment is one thing. Using a parser is one thing. Using both is two "wrongs" I suppose. I, personally, have never heard of someone being banned simply for using a parser until the people just above me here mentioned it. I thought I heard Yoshida say he didn't really mind parsing so long as it wasn't abused, but I could be wrong on that and it's late here so I'm tired and my memory is failing. But they're not really redundant. One says no unauthorized 3rd party software. The other one says don't harass people and that includes things other than parsed numbers. Now, I do remember someone on either Masamune or my current server (Valefor)-- it was a long time ago and I can't remember which server I was on at the time, who got banned for being a douche and harassing some Japanese players... so I don't really get how they are redundant or being weighed out over other forms of harassment...? Is my brain just totally going dead here?
    Yes, you quoted the ToS as if you thought I was saying it wasn't in the ToS - I was simply responding to a quote that said rule 2 is only in effect when coupled with rule 1, which makes rule 2 pointless.
    They're simply redundant, because the rule is only applied when the other rule is enforced. In other scenarios, as said by the person I quoted, you're unlikely to have anything happen.

    Anyway, this is such a pointless conversation.
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