Would you like an in-game parser?

[MeiUshu]

I'm on PS4 I can't use those available.
So please give me at least a personal parser

yeah is why I am pro individual parser...as opposed to group parser where everybody is privvy of everything when in truth it doesnt concern them the least

[Seraphix2407]

It doesn't really surprise me, since Seph is a very demanding fight when it comes to moving...the main problem of BLM.

Is it enough ? If you have four BLM with that number, would you still beat it ?
And if not, what would be your solution ? Were I to lead such a party, I think we'll just train again in the fight until people have a good knowledge of when and where they need to move.

Well I saw a BLM with 8 ilvl less than him doing 1.950 before adds in seph at kill it was about 1450-1500, pretty good imo. Thing is this guy I talked about doing 1.1k, hes a good guy and he wants to improve all the time, figure it out, hes on ps4 and begs SE to give him a parser. Many people wants a official parser and those who do, want them for improvement more than harrasing as many in here saying we gonna do when there is a official one. You see, parser existed for a long time and if it's true what most people claim (harrasment and offending people), the # would been a lot higher, but I barely see anyone harras with the parsers.

[KonOkami]

Well I saw a BLM with 8 ilvl less than him doing 1.950 before adds in seph at kill it was about 1450-1500, pretty good imo. Thing is this guy I talked about doing 1.1k, hes a good guy and he wants to improve all the time, figure it out, hes on ps4 and begs SE to give him a parser. Many people wants a official parser and those who do, want them for improvement more than harrasing as many in here saying we gonna do when there is a official one. You see, parser existed for a long time and if it's true what most people claim (harrasment and offending people), the # would been a lot higher, but I barely see anyone harras with the parsers.

That's because right now it's a banable offense(or the rumor has it). If you use a parser and don't talk about it it's all cool, even if detected chances are GMs are gonna look the other way, but if you use one, openly admit it in chat and harass another player based on it you can bet your ass it's not gonna end well.

[Kaurie]

You know what might be even better for the party ? Talking.
Sharing strat so that no one would be caught "off-guard" by a "Oh, you do this that way"

talking to each other and using a parser are not mutually exclusive.

It's nice and all but it sill does not answer one question: Why do I have to be parsed because this fellow want a parser ? Why do everybody have to eat pancakes because some of us want them ?

These are entirely different - this is a cooperative team environment, where your performance directly affects the people you are paired with. If you not eating a pancake somehow caused me pain, wasted my time, or otherwise directly affected me, then yes I'd say eat a pancake. Luckily for both of us they don't (I have celiac and gluten free pancakes are gross).

That's because right now it's a banable offense(or the rumor has it). If you use a parser and don't talk about it it's all cool, even if detected chances are GMs are gonna look the other way, but if you use one, openly admit it in chat and harass another player based on it you can bet your ass it's not gonna end well.

What I find odd about this is then, really, the only bannable offense is harassment - no? Like I can't imagine that there should be more leniency to say harassing someone because of their gender/race/sexual orientation, then there would be at harassing based on DPS. Perhaps I am wrong on that.

[Seraphix2407]

That's because right now it's a banable offense(or the rumor has it). If you use a parser and don't talk about it it's all cool, even if detected chances are GMs are gonna look the other way, but if you use one, openly admit it in chat and harass another player based on it you can bet your ass it's not gonna end well.

My point and what makes other people in here they wont do the same if they release a official one? My mind is blown. No pro parser said it's fine to harras people if they had a official one.


This behavior happens a lot when people ask/tell you which skill you should use. You see, this is nearly troll level if not worse.

[Reiryuu]

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The problem with the perception of wasted time is everyone's opinions of what is acceptable are different. 30 seconds is nothing to me, but it may be an eternity for you. If looking up a 5 minute video on some rotation plus spending minutes/hours/whatever it takes to learn said rotation, why should someone have to spend more time than they're saving you? If you're going to group together all the time that's one thing sure, but some random person you're doing a run with/meeting in DF?

As for the bannable offense, it's a violation of the ToS to use a parser.

2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

Parsing data is using a 3rd party program to collect information. Information that comes from your logs, sure, but it's still information. I am not sure what SE's stance on it officially is but my thoughts of it goes like such:Parsing isn't exactly data mining, but it is using unauthorized 3rd party software to read and interpret in game data. If people are using it for their own use and not using it to harm another's experience in the game, it's fine. Otherwise, it's something that needs to be dealt with. I'm sure you'd get warned once or twice before getting a ban.

[KonOkami]

What I find odd about this is then, really, the only bannable offense is harassment - no? Like I can't imagine that there should be more leniency to say harassing someone because of their gender/race/sexual orientation, then there would be at harassing based on DPS. Perhaps I am wrong on that.

Actually no. The primary offense might be the harassement, and this will not change regardless but right now the use of parsers is prohibited as well cause they provide "an unfair advantage" to pc players over ps ones. So it stays all hush hush, which was my reply to why the numbers of that kind of thing aren't higher now.

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We already covered that earlier. yes, this kind also exists and they're top grade A-holes. Most possibly duo que so they know they can't get kicked. Report them for abuse of Vote Kick function and move on. Nothing a parser can do here cause they simply don't care.

[Kaurie]

The problem with the perception of wasted time is everyone's opinions of what is acceptable are different. 30 seconds is nothing to me, but it may be an eternity for you. If looking up a 5 minute video on some rotation plus spending minutes/hours/whatever it takes to learn said rotation, why should someone have to spend more time than they're saving you? If you're going to group together all the time that's one thing sure, but some random person you're doing a run with/meeting in DF?

As for the bannable offense, it's a violation of the ToS to use a parser.



Parsing data is using a 3rd party program to collect information. Information that comes from your logs, sure, but it's still information. I am not sure what SE's stance on it officially is but my thoughts of it goes like such:Parsing isn't exactly data mining, but it is using unauthorized 3rd party software to read and interpret in game data. If people are using it for their own use and not using it to harm another's experience in the game, it's fine. Otherwise, it's something that needs to be dealt with. I'm sure you'd get warned once or twice before getting a ban.

Again, it has little to do with the amount of wasted time. If you are going slower at any amount due to "it only matters if we finish it" then you are holding back your team for your own reasons to the detriment of your team. It is similar to a group project where you are fine with a B and someone else may be fine with an A. Maybe stop considering the grades and just realize that you are directly impacting someone else, and that should be reason enough to do your best. I respect fully that there are varying levels of skill, I won't be mad if someone slows me down by 5 minutes because they are unskilled. I will be mad if they slow me down by 7 seconds because they just don't feel like trying. To me, the intent matters a lot more than the actual occurrence - as it is a matter of respect.

To further on that note, I do not expect someone to spend hours practicing on a dummy to do well. If they want to, that's awesome. What I want are for people to realize how they are doing, so they can make that choice themselves if they want to or not. In terms of being frustrated with people, I am only frustrated with the ones that can do better but just don't because "it's expert roulette, who cares?". It's selfish and lacks respect.

As for the bannable offense note, I was adding to what the person I quoted said. I am not sure if you missed it,

even if detected chances are GMs are gonna look the other way, but if you use one, openly admit it in chat and harass another player based on it you can bet your ass it's not gonna end well.

He qualified that you would need to actually harass someone to get punished. Which makes the ToS part of the parser sort-of useless or redundant, as harassment is already a separate clause and as he said, they will turn a blind eye if you don't harass. So in effect, the only thing at play here is harassment.

[Reiryuu]

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While I use Enochian a lot when I play black mage, there is this posted on the forums:

Enochian and AoE. Enochian is worth for 2 targets. It is worth to use on 3 targets or more for the extra damage. But it is not worth to keep up when you have 3 or more targets. B4 is 280 Potency and the 5% DPS gain from F3 + 2 Fire II + Flare is less than a Fire II. 168+540+540+1266 (3 targets Potency) is equal 2514. 5% of that is 125 Potency. 280 + 125 = 405 Potency for 3 seconds. Fire II is 540 Potency.

Unfortunately, BLM's 3.0 abilities were not designed for AoE.

Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-Guide-to-DPS

Were you AoEing 4+ mobs a lot in fractal? Most groups I run into in DF do.

[Rawrz]

While I use Enochian a lot when I play black mage, there is this posted on the forums:



Were you AoEing 4+ mobs a lot in fractal? Most groups I run into in DF do.

My guess, from the context that three people rolled, one after another, that this was after a boss, therefore single target.

You'd also still use it for AOE, you just wouldn't keep up with it. If they had done that, they would have said something like "Yeah, I already used it. It's a dps loss to use bliz 4 to keep it up in AOE." Strange how toxicity (extreme) exists without a parser, when it comes to damage. ;3