Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reynhart]

Read my post again.

Unless the first part of your post is for me too, the "slacking" part is the answer you gave to me.

Why you nitpick thats okay everybody can see when a tank or a healer is failing to do its job?

Do you see exatcly how much damage the tank took ? Do you see exactly how much healing everyone received ? Do you see how overheal everyone received ?
Having a parser does not show if the DPS are failing to do their job. If your party does not meet the DPS checks, you'll realize very soon. What the parser can show, and why I don't really like them, is how above the DPS are succeeded, and how that "above" can be not enough for some.

Since you're a healer, let me ask you this. You're in a 8-man party. The fights goes with no death, but, in the end, you realize the other healer healed for a noticeable amount below you. Would you say that he failed at his job ?

How could my group of 7 people kill sephirot 2 min faster than a 4 dps group? And we are in the same gear, I'm waiting for you to explain.

Better knowledge of the fight, better coordination with people you're used to raid with, jobs not optimized for the raid, and yes, gap in player skill.
But, among all that, I should also say...why does it matter ? Didn't they kill it too ?

[Launched]

Since you're a healer, let me ask you this. You're in a 8-man party. The fights goes with no death, but, in the end, you realize the other healer healed for a noticeable amount below you. Would you say that he failed at his job ?

Most content only needs 1 healer 90% of the time. If he was DPSing while I was healing, I'd be fine with that. If he was standing around doing nothing, I'd say he wasn't doing his job so I'd start DPSing myself to try and make him do some work.

[Seraphix2407]

Better knowledge of the fight, better coordination with people you're used to raid with, jobs not optimized for the raid, and yes, gap in player skill.
But, among all that, I should also say...why does it matter ? Didn't they kill it too ?

You just proved my point. You just really did without realizing it. You see, just because you killed it, doesn't mean you did great hell even decent. I've put same lower dps in sephirot and we got enrage. I put one of the lowe dps in my own group and we killed it 2 min ahead of the enrage. Get my point? Many farm parties have gotten enrage because the dps wasn't enough and they all have gotten over 15-20 kills. But once they all gather in same party (low dps) they get enrage. This is my term of ''slack''. If you kill something doesn't mean you are great enough to do it with 3 other low dps people. Enrages speaks for itself.

Familiarity with the content to the degree that you could probably do it in your sleep vs a group of players that don't know the content or haven't memorized every singleminutiae, causing deaths and lost dDPS by mistakes that add up over the course of the instance. Not sure! I can't think of any reason in particular.

Keep in mind,many have killed it more than me if not much as me, so that leaves them having same knowledge as me in the fight. Losing 300-500 dps isnt a mistake, that screams you don't know rotation or you simply don't merge your rotation with the fight. Oh hold on, I thought SSS could do that?

[Reiryuu]

we killed it 2 min ahead of the enrage

Who cares? A win is still a win.

[Seraphix2407]

Who cares? A win is still a win.

And this is where I have to stop you. I had 4 guys in my last party with over 7 weapons. They had all gotten most of it from tokens, but we got enrage. They killed it over 50-60 times and we stil got enrage? Care to explain? Also 1 death. Everyone is above ilvl 225 and ilvl 230 weapons. Please feel free to explain why it happened. It actually happened 2 times a row before we gave up.
Just because you did the fight in another group doesn't mean you didn't get ''carried'' by other peoples dps. A great example is what I just said, you put 4 low dps people together and they get enrage. How exactly is it fair for 1 guy to sit and slack and take loot? My mom taught me something very importent when I was a kid and same with my grandma who took good care of me:
Respect goes both ways and don't be selfish and think of yourself. Many are too selfish, it's always about someones feeligns. Before anyone joins a party with a low dps, think before you do, this post is a bit harsh and I know it, but I have to say it. Think before you join anyone. Being more dead weight than anything else and take loot from people. If anyone wants to slack, go to a group who do the same, and I'm well aware that you wont even get the kills you want.

[Reiryuu]

And this is where I have to stop you. I had 4 guys in my last party with over 7 weapons. They had all gotten most of it from tokens, but we got enrage. They killed it over 50-60 times and we stil got enrage? Care to explain?

What does that have to do with looking down on someone because you beat a boss/raid faster? What does this have anything to do with kicking someone because you guys didn't skip X phase on Y boss in ZZZ dungeon? Are you telling me you're going to sit and argue with them or kick them and wait for someone else just because you couldn't beat a dungeon boss fight X seconds faster? So 4 guys have 7 weapons. I have over 7 weapons too!

Sarcasm aside since I assume you're talking about Sephirot EX or Midas 8 Savage weapons, who knows? Maybe there was lag, maybe adds were being tanked in a different spot, maybe someone's equipment broke mid-fight and they didn't notice. Maybe there was a full moon that night and someone turned into a werewolf. Maybe you're amusing to someone when you get mad and they wanted to make you rage on purpose. I wasn't there, and I don't really care. You win some, you lose some. It's a game. Life goes on.

Respect goes both ways and don't be selfish and think of yourself.

Because saying someone isn't good or even "decent" because they beat a boss slower than you did isn't selfish at all.

[Seraphix2407]

Sarcasm aside.

I talked about seph weapons, many of them obtained through tokens which you need 10 kills for. Keep in mind that's a lot of kills. I could understand lag, but my server doesn't have a large population and usually we see the same people on PF. Each time I go with them, it's always the same. There are 2 people on this thread who recently posted who are on my server as well and I'm sure they can vouch for what I just told you. If peoples gear got broken, they would mostlikely say it, if not we would probably notice mid fight or before next pull. If a full right side or half of it is broken you can see the dps decreases, as much as your hp lowers if the left side is broken.

But I'm still wondering and no one seem to care to display the issue or how to fix it. However could see from a long distance your post was sarcastic and found it a bit funny as well haha.

@Rey I forgot to reply to you about the A1S, my old schoolar dpsed a lot there as well. My WHM raid barely had any issues in there if anything. I healed it once with him because he SCH wasn't on and I did it in first try as SCH. I was main DRG for 1-4 alex.

If too many people of lower skill get in one group and nobody gets called on it, guess what happens? The whole group gets disbanded even if replacing one or two members could be enough to clear. This itself leads to frustration which in my opinion is far worse than any abuse parser could bring.

Another good example.

[Reynhart]

Most content only needs 1 healer 90% of the time. If he was DPSing while I was healing, I'd be fine with that. If he was standing around doing nothing, I'd say he wasn't doing his job so I'd start DPSing myself to try and make him do some work.

And the same in fights like A1S, what would you say ?

You just proved my point. You just really did without realizing it.

And you proved mine. You would have parsed on that fight, and called out the DPS for being lazy or slacking, even though they won the fight. You shouldn't, they did enough.

I've seen farm parties messing with their DPS too sometimes, because mistakes happen. I've also seen farm parties screw mechanics they have dealt with dozens of time before, or just making a wrong decision, because mistakes happen.

Besides, a parser does not tell you what you did wrong, it only tells you that you did. If you don't bring a solution, then calling for the problem doesn't help.

If however they used some mitigation skills, DPSed, were removing debuffs and generally contributing to the fight without standing there looking pretty then no, they did not fail.

Does a parser tell you that ? Does a parser tell you how many damage the DPS dodged ? Or how he ran around the arena to help someone on a add or to freeze a tornado because no ranged DPS bothered to do so ? Or how many DPS a SMN lost by raising several people in a row ? Or if the PLD needed some MP back so he kept using Riot Blade for several seconds ?

[Seraphix2407]

Besides, a parser does not tell you what you did wrong, it only tells you that you did. If you don't bring a solution, then calling for the problem doesn't help.

Ofc I would have parsed the fight. I want to see what people put their time into, slacking or trying or doing their very very best. It's fine winning the fight, but there are serval reasons why they win it. They have great dps to make up for the one guys lower dps. Like I said and you ignored; why did I have a farm group with everyone having over 7-8 weapos over 50 kills get enrage? No seriously it happened all the time. That's not about a mistake, that's more about how they play. A mistake wont lower your dps by 600 dude. A mistake will lower slightly. The group I talked about barely had any death and that was 1 death. Then I made my own PF with fc people and the guy with the lowest dps in the other group joined mine, guess what, 6 kills a row, no wipes. Care to explain?

I will say it again, just because a healer kept you alive doesn't mean he did great or good. Sitting there doing nothing but cure 1-2 spam isn't a good healer, far from it. I can keep tanks alive without them using tank cds, does that make them a good good tank? Not really.

You are right, a parser doesn't tell you what you did wrong, it tells you that you need to improve however which MANY are in denial for, so a tool that are on their screen will tell them to get gud and they will soon or later realize how bad or dead weight they was for a group. I can tell people they need to improve their rotation, I can do only as much to link them one and help them out if needed.

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

[Reynhart]

Care to explain?

No, I don't, and that's exactly that, I don't care. Did we win ? Yes ? It's fine. No ? Bad luck. Did I see why, can I explain it too the team ? Yes ? I'll do it. No ? Never mind, I'll try another time.
In fact, that's what happened yesterday. For once, the bonus was for DPS in the trial roulette, so I took my BLM, by I ended up in Sephirot, which I've never done as a BLM...since I basically stopped playing BLM as soon as it reached 60.
Was I bad ? Of yes, I was...I could tell I was. Were others bad ? Yes, some of them made mistakes, yes. We wiped twice, we talked about strat, priorities, etc...and then we won. Yes, my roulette took more time that it should have, so what ?

You are right, a parser doesn't tell you what you did wrong, it tells you that you need to improve however which MANY are in denial for, so a tool that are on their screen will tell them to get gud and they will soon or later realize how bad or dead weight they was for a group.

Actually, if the tool is on their screen, they're not that much in denial. But here the tool is on your screen, not theirs.

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

A guide gives you knowledge of the path, practice is walking the path. A parser only tells you that the path you're on is wrong.