Would you like an in-game parser?

[KonOkami]

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We're actually saying the same thing, I don't know why we're not communicating right, maybe I'm not phrasing something right(sorry, english is not my native tongue).
People that perform as badly as 50% down in casual content are inexcusable and those numbers show a clear unwillingness to even try. I can't for the life of me, figure out how you can do that bad dps if you use even half your skills. I do higher than that as the healer!

Maybe the miscommunication is here:

Yes, I'm aware you do talk about those who doesn't do raids at all but do all of them slack?

I'm not talking about the ones not raiding in general. I'm talking about the ones that decide to not impose on raiding groups knowing they can't give the 100% of their class(since that matters in there) but still try to maintain an acceptable performance in all other content.

However kick vote doesn't always seem to be an okay thing, I try very hard not to, because when you are in a team you have to respect the people in it. If they do take advice great, if not well... and they have a shit attitudde about it that kick might happen.

We 100% agree. Respect is a two way street that is not measured in numbers. As long as the other person is putting an effort, even if their performance pales, I'm perfectly happy with it. I especially love running early content and bumping into people starting out a new class and trying to learn it while the whole party cheers them on and offers whatever advise they can! It's the best kind of run for me. I only mentioned the Vote Kick option for those cases where their performance is as bad as you're saying and they are uncommunicative or even worse assault you if you politely tell them anything about it.


But my question remains. For performances as bad as the ones you're describing do you honestly need a parser to recognise them?

[Reisui]

But my question remains. For performances as bad as the ones you're describing do you honestly need a parser to recognise them?

I don't think it's about just recognizing them, but as explaining to the "bad" player that he lacks. Some sort of a proof.
As this is feedback the player could take with him.

[KonOkami]

I don't think it's about just recognizing them, but as explaining to the "bad" player that he lacks. Some sort of a proof.
As this is feedback the player could take with him.

Yes, but that can be achieved with a personal parser too. Everyone will inevitably start hearing left and right about the numbers everyone is hitting so they'll have a good idea of what the number is that they're supposed to reach. hell ,we even know these numbers now that parsers are "illegal".

[Reisui]

Yes, but that can be achieved with a personal parser too. Everyone will inevitably start hearing left and right about the numbers everyone is hitting so they'll have a good idea of what the number is that they're supposed to reach. hell ,we even know these numbers now that parsers are "illegal".

True, a personal parser is a good step and exchanging numbers with friends will give you a global view on what the required dps is. But, what if he just doesn't care, you still can't give him a "valid" reason that he was bad. (Not using CD or doing the rotation correctly can be prove tho, but require you to pay attention to him even more)

Like I mentioned in a post earlier, that group-parser should be an option for the pre-made groups then (or you have a duplicate DF, one where parser is allowed and one not, but this is wishful thinking)

I know I'll probably will be called out, and depending on how they will tell me I was bad, I'll be hurt or not. But I will learn of it and be open to suggestions.

[KonOkami]

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Even with a personal parser the information will be out there and whoever wants to improve will have the tools to do so, easier than he/she can now. All they have to do is ask around or look up guides which will undoubtedly include that if it's implemented. What a group parser does is not tell you how you are doing but tell everyone how you are doing. And the ones that do so badly that they're nowhere near "Average" play can be spotted and singled out in casual content easily where you're much more relaxed than Ex/Savage that requires a different kind of focus. Group parsing in that content will only help in highlighting those people that perform slightly worse than they could.
Again, I'm not saying all instances of group parsing is bad, on the contrary it's a very useful tool, but that it should be implemented under a set of specific conditions like premade groups.

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Yeah, but if they have the personal parser and still don't care what is gonna magically change their mind and they'll start to care if that's a group parse? They already know their performance is shit and just wanna leech from you. A group parse won't change that. It will just justify kicking them from the party for those that feel bad to do so without something concrete(and they should be kicked with or without parser). Again, not talking about the people putting an effort, trying advise given to them and still not attaining "godlike" performances, talking about those people with horrible performance that show no indication of wanting to better it to at least average.
Also if you read my earlier posts our suggestion is exactly the same. Optional parser in premades(+hideable personal parser everywhere imo)

[Reisui]

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I've been through your previous posts, and indeed this seems the most fair way of handling.
Let's hope the ones against will warm to this idea, and hope that SE implements it some day

[Seraphix2407]

But my question remains. For performances as bad as the ones you're describing do you honestly need a parser to recognise them?

No your English is good and I understand it, yes we are on the same page, I'm only saying why a parser should exist (in a hidden way) So I will make myself clear and answer your question:
Yes and no. First of all, I mind my own business when I do raids, primals or even roulettes. My job, if its a healer I focus healer and don't focus on what other people do, I focus on my own mechanics and the class I play on, otherwise I'll half ass it. If I keep look for flaw, I will end up being one in the party, not always the case, I can notice a bad group when boss dies slower than it usually does.
You can see a bad dps without a parser yes, but why do we I want one in the game to recongnise them? Well as I stated, I mind own my business and then see after whos doing low or high. Then a parser would be on everyone's screen and they can see how good or bad they do. The good thing having that showing up for bad players is because many who are in denial can finally see the truth and it's not something people say for fun they are doing low or bad, it's simply the truth. Truth hearts for some people, keep in mind many, many players think they do great until they find out they don't and they have to ''restart'' their class.

So to make it short, yes we do, because they have to realize how bad they are doing and how much of a burden they are in a group. How can a person know they do bad, even when they get told? By the source itself, simple.

Edit: Saw your post. Yes it can be with a personal parser, however, how do people know if they do good or bad if there are no info of other people in party? If 1 guy does 1400 and everyone else do 600 in hidden parser, how can they know? If its a open one they can see and compare themselves.