Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reiryuu]

Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? What if some find measuring their performance fun?

So... because some people find measuring performance fun, all people need to have their performance measured even if they don't find it fun? I don't think any of us have said stop using your parser to measure and improve yourself if that's your thing. Just don't use it to measure others if they don't want it done. That's been my entire argument this whole time and many of you just scoff us off as "you must be bad, so you don't want to be parsed."

There are times when your parser numbers aren't going to tell you the whole story about someone. There are some people who will just look at the numbers-- just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone), and abuse it. Can't you have your cake (which you currently do and are enjoying) and I have my cake (which likewise, I have and am enjoying) and so long as I'm not shoving my cake down your throat (let's call this the people who spam blizzard I in lvl 60 dungeons) you don't cram yours down mine (we'll call this the people who rage if you're not at 100% optimization) and we'll call it even?

This happened today. I was about to log out and this soul sent me a tell. if a guy likes his goddamn pancakes, doesn't mean he shouldn't eat them because you don't like them at all. Should we take care of your feelings because you don't like pancakes? Hell no, I want to eat my pancakes.

It's always unfortunate when something prevents someone from having what they want. But he seems to be wanting something to measure himself, not something that will measure others.

[Kaurie]

So... because some people find measuring performance fun, all people need to have their performance measured even if they don't find it fun? I don't think any of us have said stop using your parser to measure and improve yourself if that's your thing. Just don't use it to measure others if they don't want it done. That's been my entire argument this whole time and many of you just scoff us off as "you must be bad, so you don't want to be parsed."

I believe their argument was based soley off Reynhart exclaiming, "No, I play for fun, not for measuring my performances." where in fact the two are not mutually exclusive.

There are times when your parser numbers aren't going to tell you the whole story about someone. There are some people who will just look at the numbers-- just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone), and abuse it. Can't you have your cake (which you currently do and are enjoying) and I have my cake (which likewise, I have and am enjoying) and so long as I'm not shoving my cake down your throat (let's call this the people who spam blizzard I in lvl 60 dungeons) you don't cram yours down mine (we'll call this the people who rage if you're not at 100% optimization) and we'll call it even?

I cannot think of a single example where a parser will tell you the whole story. I don't think (m)any people are stating as such. It is simply one piece of the puzzle and a useful tool to augment the rest of the game. "There are some people who will just look at the numbers" is possibly a true statement, but there are already people who do ridiculous things in the game. We cannot and should not make design choices around people's stupidity.

I do find it interesting how you state, "just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone)", where the anti-parser crowd has been particularly more toxic in this thread. At least as far as I have seen. Yes, there are definitely people on both sides who seem to have misplaced their manners upon entry to the internet. That said, there are plenty of people (I quoted three of them a few pages back) who directly insulted another player who simply shared his story about how he improved as a player. These anti-parser players responded with condescending remarks such as "git gud", and learn 2 read.

The thing is, performance measurement can be an incentive to improve, as well as a tool to help you improve. That is something that is good for the game as a whole. The issue is the ignorance of one's performance is likely one of the largest contributing factor to sub-par play. This wouldn't be an issue in most video games, because we're all just trying to have fun, but in an online/cooperative game, your performance has a direct impact on other players around you. With your performance directly impacting others, then I think it is only fair that they are aware of what your performance is.

[Seraphix2407]

It's always unfortunate when something prevents someone from having what they want. But he seems to be wanting something to measure himself, not something that will measure others.

That's true and same time don't forget what he wrote, many don't want to see how bad they are. So that means many doesn't want one even if its personal. I'm pretty sure you know I will say, but I will regardles. But let's say a personal parser happens and we still see people do 35-50% lower than they should, there is absolutely no excuse not to improve. If they have a attitude like that, they shouldn't join extreme primals or savage at all. I don't talk about roulettes or dungeons, so no need to mention that.

If they want to be part of a team for savage or primals, people expect them to play pretty good. It's not okay to have a dead weight on team or expect people to do more than they can because 1 player refuses to improve. Today I did hummelfaust with some friends of mine , could we beat it? Hell no, could the guy beat the dummy itself? Yup, but in the actual fight he was doing low. I don't know how it happened but he was ilvl 224 and did 1350 as DRG. Faust always enraged at 10-12%. Could people do more dps in the fight? Sure but enough to ignore his low dps? No sadly.

I do find it interesting how you state, "just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone)", where the anti-parser crowd has been particularly more toxic in this thread. At least as far as I have seen. Yes, there are definitely people on both sides who seem to have misplaced their manners upon entry to the internet. That said, there are plenty of people (I quoted three of them a few pages back) who directly insulted another player who simply shared his story about how he improved as a player. These anti-parser players responded with condescending remarks such as "git gud", and learn 2 read.

I feel the same even tho I was a bit aggresive back there and even said sorry,but, really I agree a lot with you there.