Would you like an in-game parser?

[Lambdafish]

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The problem I foresee with that (though it sounds nice in theory) is that throwing numbers at players who don't understand and calling the global situation red might cause more problems than without it, with players misinterpreting numbers and yelling at the BRD/MCH or even the tanks and healers for having too low numbers, when in fact the reason is that all of the DPS were lagging slightly.

[RLofOBFL]

The problem I foresee with that (though it sounds nice in theory) is that throwing numbers at players who don't understand and calling the global situation red might cause more problems than without it, with players misinterpreting numbers and yelling at the BRD/MCH or even the tanks and healers for having too low numbers, when in fact the reason is that all of the DPS were lagging slightly.

Poo. I guess in the end there really is no safe way to add parsers unless they're personal numbers & you just got to hope the person seeing them wants to get better.

[Kaurie]

The problem I foresee with that (though it sounds nice in theory) is that throwing numbers at players who don't understand and calling the global situation red might cause more problems than without it, with players misinterpreting numbers and yelling at the BRD/MCH or even the tanks and healers for having too low numbers, when in fact the reason is that all of the DPS were lagging slightly.

This is pretty much the current situation

[KarstenS]

I think the analogies of school grades are pretty accurate. Everyone gets a number from a test and they have a right to not show it to their peers.

This is correct as long the rating only depends on you own work.

But when you do work as a group and the rating depends on the performance of the group, its a little bit different

[Reynhart]

But when you do work as a group and the rating depends on the performance of the group, its a little bit different

Generally, when it's a team work, you get one grade for the team. And if C is a passing grade, it's not that important you get a B instead of a A+.

[KarstenS]

Generally, when it's a team work, you get one grade for the team. And if C is a passing grade, it's not that important you get a B instead of a A+.

Don't know how its in your country. But here you not only get the final grade. You also get the amount of points of every singe part and how much points were left in every single part. This is called transparency and is something you have the rigth to know about.

To keep your example up:

Exactly this gets more interesting, when you are heading to grade D or less. To get better, its always more effective to work on the weakest end.

And BTW: Maybe C is passing the test. And C is maybe passing the school. But C will not open the door to every job you want to do after the school. So heading forwart to be better than C is important for them even in group work.

[Reynhart]

But C will not open the door to every job you want to do after the school. So heading forwart to be better than C is important for them even in group work.

Please do the reverse comparison and tell me what door opens for you, other than personal satisfaction, by winning a raid by a landslide instead of just winning it ?

[Archaell]

Please do the reverse comparison and tell me what door opens for you, other than personal satisfaction, by winning a raid by a landslide instead of just winning it ?

Imagine that you have to grind the raid for the weapon etc. Would you rather spend 10 hours doing it or 20 hours? Like killing A1 before the jump instead of after multiple jumps. If everybody does their best it gets done faster and then people are left with free time to do other things.

If we talk about grades... Now thins is interesting. Grades come with report cards, sometimes even with the whole class knowing how well who did.

Fps games usually have these neet statistics that show how good you are. What if each player's search info showed how well they did in the raid? Could be damage done, could be also clear time etc. I can imagine this could open or close many doors to farm parties.

[Reynhart]

Imagine that you have to grind the raid for the weapon etc. Would you rather spend 10 hours doing it or 20 hours? Like killing A1 before the jump instead of after multiple jumps. If everybody does their best it gets done faster and then people are left with free time to do other things.

I really doubt you could really pass DPS checks with a whole team doing half the damage output expected by the leader, thus needing twice the time. And considering that you can't really "farm" savage, you wouldn't end in that situation (Since, right now, why would you want to farm Gordias Savage, since Midas normal drops better gear). And also, when you enter a savage party, you don't know what you will drop, so you could have your weapon faster even without a lesser group, just by being lucky.

So, if you take into account the RNG drop, the weekly lockout, and all other tidbits that could change your farm time, like phone calls, cigarette breaks or whatever, in the long run, it's not that big of a deal. You could also end with a lesser player, but much more enjoyable person, making the run as a whole more fun, etc...

Keep in mind that I'm still talking about players who do enough to clear the raid, not people who would screw mechanics or do so little damage that you would wipe on enrage.

Fps games usually have these neet statistics that show how good you are.

I still see the FPS community not as a really great example to follow, sorry.

[loreleidiangelo]

Why not just let the parser display be left to a group vote? I don't really see an issue with that. If it's a 2/2 split for 4-man or a 4/8 for 8-man, it's still not enabled, just to err on the side of caution re: possible harrassment. I don't know how difficult this would be to implement, though.