Would you like an in-game parser?

[Archaell]

Max Potion, nq, increases stats by 100 points, comparable to 9 free weapon damage, which for openers due to the exponential rate they increase would nnaturally lead those with a little math to believe that yes, they do wonders for your DPS.

Well I am bad at math. If I don't see an example or two I have no chance of doing it. I can work with potency - if the potion said "increase the potency of your skills by 50" etc. I could work with that. Turning the potency into the real numbers is entirely different story.

Give me a tutorial and I might be able to do it... but we don't have tutorials how to do math in the game unfortunately so I need the calculator - parser - to do the math for me.

Archaell, Thank you for your story. I understand completely where you're coming from. Sorry for the harassment, glad for your improvements.

Thanks ^^

[Reynhart]

Tell me how exactly are you supposed to tell without any feedback? As I said - The effect is short, the CD is long, it really did not seem so great.

Easy (and 100% weight free):
1) Compare the DEX bonus on your gear, and the dex bonus on the potion.
2) Realize how many ilvl you'd need to have to same gain on DEX.
3) Be amazed
Yes, the duration is short, but since you burn pretty much everything during your opening rotation, the effect is tremendous.

Getting better at dpsing is much easier with the parser than without it - or would you say that most of the players are so good they don't need the feedback parser gives them?

I never denied that. What bugs me is that people think it's necessary. I don't know if I'm really good compared to other DRG, since I don't use a parser, but what I know is that I've improved a lot without any parser, by looking at guides and videos, and training on SSS.

we are not talking about 100 dps below average >_> but more like players who are doing HALF the amount of damage as others. Tanks and healers topping the DPS meters... etc...

Like I said, several times, if you really do half the damage you're supposed to do, it either means that you failed pretty much every mechanic and died, or that your rotation is so flawed that wouldn't even beat SSS. Either way, you don't need a parser to realize that.

[KarstenS]

Not true for anyone that has more than one job leveled. It takes no effort to notice that the boss doesn't have Disembowel/Chaos Thrust/Phlebotomize up, or that you never see the Heavy Thrust icon beside the DRG's name, or that you never hear Flare's sound on big trash packs.

And you still can be wrong. I've had yesterday a DRG in A8N. He used his buffs. He did positionals. The times I could look because I had not to monitor my proccs, it looked not that bad what he did.

After the fight was finished, I did look at the numbers. He did one of the worst performances I've ever seen in this fight with around just 600 DPS. Me (MCH) and one other DD (MNK) did more than the double amount of his damage. The last DD (BRD) was close to do the double amount of his damage.

[Remus]

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If that was the case they wasn't keeping them up while using BoTD. If they did they would do quite a bit more than that. Seeing them using it here and there doesn't mean they were always doing it and highly likely he didn't use cooldowns if he is pulling numbers like that.

[Reynhart]

If anyone in this thread looks in the mirror and sees someone rude and abusive, it's gonna be you.

One thing true then, even if there's no reason to be agressive about it, if we want to stick to the gun comparison made before.
We don't give guns freely for everyone, and I'm sure people knows why.

[KarstenS]

If that was the case they wasn't keeping them up while using BoTD. If they did they would do quite a bit more than that. Seeing them using it here and there doesn't mean they were always doing it and highly likely he didn't use cooldowns if he is pulling numbers like that.

There was not the time to closely watch what he exactly did. If I would do, I would suck up my own rotation and mechanics.

Its not realistic to have an close overview of the entire party to see who is playing bad. As I said before, I have seen some of these guys that claim "I can see who's bad. I do not need numbers for that." in duties and all of them dealt really low damage their own. They should better try out a parser to get their eyes opened, how wrong they are with their opinion.

There is still an unanswered question: How shall they be able to see who is doing wrong, when they are not able to perform good their own?

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

See my above edit. Guns are more extreme. You can get killed with it. It's not comparable to something like a parser, that, if used incorrectly, may hurt someone's feelings once in a blue moon. The extent at which incorrect use of something will harm is valid to consider when thinking about opening said thing up to the public.

Also, in some places of the US, they practically do hand guns out freely :P

[Lambdafish]

I think people are asking the wrong questions, because this game is huge and diverse and appeals to many different people. This isn't really a yes/no argument, so I will pose this question:

Hypothetically, SE has announced that they will implement a parser, but the way it is limited is decided by the community. In which content and through which means would you like to see the parser implemented? (you must not answer "no parser at all" because the question is how limited you would make it, and a training dummy doesn't harm your feelings)

My answer is that I would like it in raid finder practice as a global tool, a true dummy parser, and would like also like the option of a mandatory personal "performance grader" (not a parser) on other content, it's like a parser, but it gives you all the feedback after a wipe or clear (the reason for this is to stop tunnel-visioning while only watching the numbers). The problem a lot of people are citing is DF, and this is a fundamental problem with DF, which I think will only be solved through mass SSS gating, which won't happen because SE allows us to go into fights we aren't even geared for.

[Reynhart]

See my above edit. Guns are more extreme. You can get killed with it.

No hard feelings to him but since it's a pro-parser who used this comparison, it's only fair to talk about the possible bad outcome.
That's why, when I made such a comparison I used "baseball bat in a kindergarden", hurting once in a while is a real risk...death...not so much

But, to mix my view on the topic and the gun metaphor : I don't mind you having a gun, as long as you can't point it at me without my consent.

[Archaell]

If parser is the gun then player's performance is the bullet. Guns are not that great without the bullets. Don't give others bullets and they can't shoot you. Also this isn't a duel. If someone starts shooting the rest of the group can shoot back and kill the evil pro-parser. That's what democracy is about.