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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix2407 View Post
    You Said people would kick them for doing 100 dps less than optimized.
    Yes, I said some people will complain about a DPS doing 100 less than expected. And you know why ? Because both leaders of my two last statics did.

    I'm not grasping at hypothetical straws here...I don't want a parser forced on me, because this is exactly what made me quit raiding after I loved doing Coil. Make them official, and those people will have even less reason to shut their mouth.
    There are other ways to improve, this is the best way to point fingers at someone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    I'd be perfectly happy to let anyone in the game monitor my numbers in any piece of content, on any job if it meant they were more likely to accept criticism and play correctly.
    They won't. Those who accept criticism already will still be the same. Those offended by advice will probably be even more pissed if you give them irrefutable proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Yes, I said some people will complain about a DPS doing 100 less than expected. And you know why ? Because both leaders of my two last statics did.

    I'm not grasping at hypothetical straws here...I don't want a parser forced on me, because this is exactly what made me quit raiding after I loved doing Coil. Make them official, and those people will have even less reason to shut their mouth.
    There are other ways to improve, this is the best way to point fingers at someone.
    Was your static having trouble meeting DPS checks? 100 DPS doesn't make a bit of difference if you're doing dungeons or if you're easily sailing through DPS checks. However, if your static is riding the cusp of clearing a fight like Faust and one person is doing 100 DPS less than expected... well... that's the 100 DPS which might let you clear the DPS check. However, if you don't have a way of knowing who that person is, you don't have a way of trying to help them bring their DPS up to standards to meet the requirement.

    If you were clearing DPS checks and static leaders are still complaining about 100 less DPS, then you need to find a new static. Simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dement View Post
    Was your static having trouble meeting DPS checks?
    I don't know. The last one made us stop at phase 1 of Thordan EX if we can't switch early enough for him (I don't remember the exact %)...and asked us to wipe on Seph EX as soon as one DPS died.
    The previous one...well DPS obssession wasn't his only flaw, so...
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix2407 View Post
    You mentioned you don't want a parser to be forced on you, the static isn't forced on you either, that's your choice and yet you like to stick to it. #Makesnosense.
    The static stopped. Hint : I'm not the only one tired of hearing "check your DPS" during learning tries of extreme primals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I don't know. The last one made us stop at phase 1 of Thordan EX if we can't switch early enough for him (I don't remember the exact %)...and asked us to wipe on Seph EX as soon as one DPS died.
    The previous one...well DPS obssession wasn't his only flaw, so...

    The static stopped. Hint : I'm not the only one tired of hearing "check your DPS" during learning tries of extreme primals.
    Honestly, the stories you're providing have more to do with those people than parsers themselves. I understand having bad experiences, and I'm sorry you dealt with that, but as the old saying goes, "don't shoot the messenger," cause that's all a parser ever is: a messenger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    There are other ways to improve, this is the best way to point fingers at someone.
    I know you mentioned it, but sadly and no lie, many make it sound like it happens in every 2/3 dungeons or fights you enter. Because that's their strongest arguement. My arguement againt's that they are more bad players than those who want to listen and take advice and need to see with their own yes how they perform, because we all know many are in denial. If it was your static and like Dement said, you should leave it if you could clear it with current 100 dpe less, if not then yes you should done that 100 dps, maybe that would get you the clear, but if it already did, then you should have left. You mentioned you don't want a parser to be forced on you, the static isn't forced on you either, that's your choice and yet you like to stick to it. #Makesnosense.

    Also you dont need to point fingers at people who are bad, I simply just tell people if they undeperform and we need them to perfom better to skip phases that would be amazing to do so, or example beat enrage which is the main prio to beat. If I don't call them out for underperforming they would never know they needed to improve. I'm glad most people are willing to, but sadly more people who are in denial.

    Edit: Looks like you left your statics, so then it shouldn't be a problem anymore then. Then again most statics expects people to play well, if it was 100 dps less and you turned out to wipe because of that 100 dps less, then that person should improve, but if you guys beat it, it shoudn't be a problem at all. I know if some one underperform in my group I'm okay killing it, however when we saw enrage first time beating alex 7 savage, 2 people had to step up. Doesn't matter their dps was okay, it was simply not enough to beat it. That's what not many get sadly and people keep talk about dungeons are a big deal which me and countless of others have said over 209349203898349 times we don't really care about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Because we have very different philosophies on what makes a game fun. You like numbers and making sure everything is working as optimally as possible, whereas I just like to go in and have fun

    Those guy doesn't need to be optimized like when I enter a dungeon. As long they are okay and doing decent I'm all good for it. However this picture shows also people have fun in the fight, what's even more painful is that it's rare to see 4 dps who are on pair, being super low on dps being in same group.
    Now, lets say one of them happened to join another group with 3 decent dps, his dps still would been low, because he was either lazy or just don't give a damn and think it's okay for people do his part too. Just because you cleaned a normal alex or dungeon, doesn't mean what you do is acceptable. If I was low like these people, I would leave, without blinking my eyes, because in my nature I think of others, not myself. It's only selfish taking and doing the thing you think is fun, while you having fun, it ruins a whole group. I don't like that and it's a huge part of the community. If only they had a tool/add on to see by themselves, they would mostlikely wake up and admit.
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    Last edited by Seraphix2407; 05-26-2016 at 06:30 AM.