Would you like an in-game parser?

[LaylaTsarra]

Nobody asked for a parser for your dungeon runs

You must not have read this thread very carefully then. There are numerous comments where users complain about having to be forced to carry people in so call face roll content like Expert Roulette and the like and that kicking those players should be an option. I do think the demands may have mellowed somewhat as the thread discussion has continued but to say that group parsers aren't wanted everywhere by a number in this thread simply isn't true.

Those who don't want parsers must suck and so on are typical comments by a number here who question the motivations of those who don't want to see numbers in general content.

Let me also suggest that the personal parser approach is probably the best you'll get out of the Development Team in Final Fantasy. Numerical values that can be used by those interested by running to an online website to see where they stand in the overall scheme of things would most likely be acceptable to most. Also the idea of enabling an in game parser for Savage only would probably meet with little opposition given that population of players is extremely motivated to do the hardest tier content and would welcome that convenience in venues like that.

[Seraphix2407]

You must not have read this thread very carefully then. There are numerous comments where users complain about having to be forced to carry people in so call face roll content like Expert Roulette

You have 4 people, tank, 2 dps and 1 healer. If 1 tank does 600-800, healer does 600- 1 dps does 1.400 and last dps does 300. Who got carried?

[LaylaTsarra]

You have 4 people, tank, 2 dps and 1 healer. If 1 tank does 600-800, healer does 600- 1 dps does 1.400 and last dps does 300. Who got carried?

So how many times have you presented this argument in this thread already? You've more than made your views known. Stop already please. I've run 5,074 instanced dungeons on my main alone without a parser. Your pushing of this gets really old. I haven't needed one, don't want one, and don't buy this argument. I'm not opposed to a personal parser and have made my views known on that issue but the last thing this game needs is people running around in general content with their parser open.

People stay out of threads like this because of people like you who will incessantly try and squash any dissent. And then we have those who make the snide comments that those who don't want one have to suck.

[Seraphix2407]

So how many times have you presented this argument in this thread already? You've more than made your views known. Stop already please. You aren't the thread monitor.

I have my views and opinions, much as you have your own. Doesn't we share the same one. I asked you a question, because you mentioned people saying people gets carried for not doing a decent amount of effort. There is a big difference of being lazy and decent, no? I respect your choice of not wanting a parser, even how annoying your comment was towards me, my statement still remains. I respect your choice still, because you have one.

Your pushing of this gets really old.

Putting words in peoples mouth is just as old. I'm not a thread monitor and never said I was. What is really old is people argue with themselves rather than with others. Sticking words up in peoples mouth and call them trash isn't excactly better. I'm fully aware of what I'm saying, even countless of times, because people seem to ignore what we say. Many in here never said it's fine to harras people because a parser could be allowed, but yet many use that arguement againt's us. That my friend, is old.

Also a personal parser would be cool too, but how do people know that's good or not. I mean in therms of performances? I guess people could always ask the other people in group how they are doing so they can somewhat compare to the others .

I dont mind your post at all, so don't think its aimed directly towards you. So you know hehe.

[LaylaTsarra]

Also a personal parser would be cool too, but how do people know that's good or not. I mean in therms of performances?

How do people know what gear is BIZ for Savage or Crafting or what the optimal melds should be? They go to a website to check and see what is recommended or what the community is doing or discuss it among their friends. http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-blac...me-gear-guide/ That could easily be the case for those wanting to compare personal dps numbers. It also provides them the opportunity to try and improve on their numbers if they so wish.

[Seraphix2407]

How do people know what gear is BIZ for Savage or Crafting or what the optimal melds should be?

Gear, rotatation and skill of the player are different things. It's nice to have a BiS page, so you know what you should get or not. What I mean is, what if this person with personal parser see he do 900 on his BLM 230, while the one who has ilvl 220 does 1.300. How can he know he's good or not?

[LaylaTsarra]

Gear, rotatation and skill of the player are different things. It's nice to have a BiS page, so you know what you should get or not. What I mean is, what if this person with personal parser see he do 900 on his BLM 230, while the one who has ilvl 220 does 1.300. How can he know he's good or not?

For those who care enough to use these -hypothetical- community numbers.

Website:
Black Mage:
High Score - 1600 DPS
Average Score - 1100 DPS
Low Score - 500 DPS

Anyone who cares enough could see where they fit in on that scale and elect to try and better their performance if they so desired. I suppose ratings for gear types could also be included as a part of the overall data system. I'm not into website construction but there is a wealth of information on the internet for Final Fantasy from Mining, to Fishing, to Gear and so on. This could simply be another resource.

Edit: Optimal or suggested dps rotations per class could also be a part of a resource like this giving ways to try and improve upon what damage a particular person is doing.

[Lambdafish]

You must not have read this thread very carefully then. There are numerous comments where users complain about having to be forced to carry people in so call face roll content like Expert Roulette and the like and that kicking those players should be an option. I do think the demands may have mellowed somewhat as the thread discussion has continued but to say that group parsers aren't wanted everywhere by a number in this thread simply isn't true.

I stand corrected then, I only really joined the topic around page 50-60 where the topic has mellowed somewhat, I can really see both sides of the arguement with that one, though I will say that a parser is not necessary for dungeons as there are no DPS checks.

Let me also suggest that the personal parser approach is probably the best you'll get out of the Development Team in Final Fantasy. Numerical values that can be used by those interested by running to an online website to see where they stand in the overall scheme of things would most likely be acceptable to most. Also the idea of enabling an in game parser for Savage only would probably meet with little opposition given that population of players is extremely motivated to do the hardest tier content and would welcome that convenience in venues like that.

I agree with you there, though something does need to be done about complacency in more casual content, not because "good" players want under-performing players to not suck, but because the game does not do a good job of helping under-performing players from learning how to be good at their job at an endgame/savage level, which intimidates a lot of people. A parser is one tool that can achieve this, by giving a lot of feedback on player progress as they learn, but as has been said, counterproductive in dungeon runs and other routes (perhaps the mentor network) would serve a better purpose. Ultimately, we need more raiders in the game in order for the content to thrive, and the game needs to incentivize and train players to be able to challenge that kind of content without doubts.

On a fundamental level, the way this game divides players is what causes debates like this. Casual players stay in dungeons and are too afraid/not good enough to try anything harder, and top level players are tired of having to run with players who were conditioned to be lazy/underperform through faceroll content due to not needing to really try to be anything else. I'm not saying that player who just run dungeons need to do savage or ex primals, im saying that the game should provide them with the skills to do these pieces of content.