Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

He didn't single anyone out and implied that anyone, in general, who would harass him over having low numbers is an idiot. He didn't say anyone who ever comments on his DPS is an idiot. He said he doesn't want people nagging him that his DPS isn't optimal, and that those people would be idiots.

I've read this thread. You've had to defend yourself a lot. You've made some very valid and respectable points. But you're getting super defensive, over sensitive, and picking fights with the wrong people now. Calm down.

Thank you for your respons and I'm glad the way you respond. So let me respond you in the same way. I know he didn't single out anyone, I never posted my picture to point it at him. My picture and post was simply about what has been a large topic in this thread for almost 80 pages. I never said he could be one of those types of players, but when people say they can't have fun if someone tell they need to improve, it's just one of them silly arguements, on my honest opinion. Why did I post the picture? Because those people have fun in their own way, they want to do it for themselves and not include others in the party and look how well that went? Now, this doesn't happen often but it happens. There are reasons why it happens and it's been a on going topic throughout the thread:

People having fun in their own way
Refuse to take advices
Maybe they have no one to teach them and perhaps wants help? I don't know there are endless of ways and why they are like this.

As I've said before, no one doesn't care if his DPS isn't optimal in dungeons, if that was a thing you would seen it happen in many dungeons. Myself and other people parser dungeons, because we want to commend people who do a real good job. I can see who's trying hard and some aren't. That's why we commend right? To give the best player in group the commendation?

I'm not getting defensive and over sensetive as you state. If I was, I wouldn't even be here posting. Last time it happened, I got banned for 14 days. That gave me a lecture how to behave and this time it hasn't happened, so I'm well aware of what I'm saying or doing. Also I'm not picking up fights with him, but he has no valid reason to call people idiots. He didn't single anyone out or point at people with his fingers, he said idiot about those who tell him to do better because hes not optimal.

Now I don't know the guy, but I trust him doing his part well enough and that's more than enough. What if he isn't? Then he might need to improve and we all know how people can be when advices are handed out... they get offended. If he gets told and he know hes good enough he should report people for harrasing him. This is also why parser would be a good thing, if he knew he was good and people told him trash, he could simply defend him with it. There are people who doesn't use parsers, who call people bad and they have no proof they are better.

Many in this thread had good respons, on both sides. Sadly there are few in this thread who like to name call out people, if you seen my older post. There was a guy who are again'ts parsers calling me out and others, like piece of shit etc. And they say they don't want people to harras them with parsers. NO logic at all too be honest.

I was trying to be polite, but thanks for the picture, I've seen a few in this thread and the lack of posts showing parser harassment really paints a picture of the REAL problems in the game.

That's fine and I know you was. Problem is, I know myself and I can get extremely frustrated with some post in here but I try to be logical and stay on a low level so I can actually discuss and argue with people here, without calling them names. What I don't get is why people gets tagged with bad words and then they want to talk about them not getting respect from pro parsers. It honestly blows my mind, it really does. People expect respect but never give it out.

If I was a bad player and held people ''hostage'' I would leave. I like to respect people who wants to progress or do things on their own way. I would NEVER hold a group down because I simply can't do it good as them. It's unfair and selfish doing so. Respect comes both ways, not 1 way.

[randysquirrel]

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This image says all that needs to be said

66% smh lol

[Lambdafish]

If I was a bad player and held people ''hostage'' I would leave. I like to respect people who wants to progress or do things on their own way. I would NEVER hold a group down because I simply can't do it good as them. It's unfair and selfish doing so. Respect comes both ways, not 1 way.

The problem with that goes both ways... I had a healer in AV who left because they couldn't do the first boss, I really wanted to help them, and I enjoy helping players who actually try, I don't like lazy players who expect a carry.

Also to add to your point against Lady Val:

And yet you chose to quote him and address him directly...? Either way, the way you two responded to his posts doesn't put either of you in a positive light and both sides could stand to not lump the other and make it a big "us" vs. "them" issue and I'm not responding to either of you further because you're obviously both worked up over this and with you, specifically, I refuse to cater to your thinly veiled passive-aggressiveness and eyelash batting.

I explicitly said earlier that this wasn't an us vs. them issue, I categorised the reasons that players underperform -

I have been doing some thinking about this. Bad players tend to fit into 3 categories:
a) Bad players that are unaware that they are bad
b) Bad players that know they are bad but are struggling/don't know how to improve
c) Those who cannot be helped ("I pay my sub so I can play how I want even if it means wasting your time" or "The 'elitist' who is actually bad" etc.)

The context of the post was a complaint about the game system (and I regret using the word bad, because it seems insulting, underperforming is a better word) and how we can improve the systems to fix A and B, anyone who does not fit into this category is a perfectly competent player. Really, we are trying to help people, so being called out as being passive aggressive is odd to me

[Reynhart]

I think there is a big problem as well. Many doesn't do SSS. If there is any, there is only a few of them who do actually.

That's why some people suggested to gate the content by the corresponding SSS trial. Because sure, beating SSS doesn't automatically mean you'll get along fine in the content, but, if you don't even beat SSS, then showing in the content is just a waste of time for everybody.

It would also prevent buying runs for really bad, but rich, players

[Yuraq]

If you don't do enough DPS in savage or extreme primals. Don't bother. If you are in dungeons, I wouldn't care. If you are clicking same 1-3 button's and ignore everything else. Leave people alone, and calling people idiot's because some might want to help you, isn't excactly some rich words coming out of your mouth. If you are however decent and dont drop down 60% of your dps like dungeon people do (1-3 click skills), then who cares? I highly doubt you find mind who does too. Only thing I could think of people mention it, is you being lazy and not doing your part of the job/class.

Yeah, i stay as far way from anything "Savage" i'd rather have fun with my FCmates, RP, and unlock more crafting opportunities than waste hours killing overpower internet goblins grinding for getting gear that'll be completely worthless a patch or two later.

I just wanna do a dungeon without some fool telling me i'm not playing to their standards.

[Lambdafish]

Yeah, i stay as far way from anything "Savage" i'd rather have fun with my FCmates, RP, and unlock more crafting opportunities than waste hours killing overpower internet goblins grinding for getting gear that'll be completely worthless a patch or two later.

I just wanna do a dungeon without some fool telling me i'm not playing to their standards.

How would you feel about a parser that could only be used in raids and extreme primals (potentially in practice mode)? If that is the minimum that we got, I would be ok with that, and think of some other method of improving player DPS for other content such as the ravana and midas that was screenshotted. Nobody asked for a parser for your dungeon runs, I am in agreement that it would only help speedrunners, and the content is so simple that it can be beaten with terrible DPS.

[Seraphix2407]

I just wanna do a dungeon without some fool telling me i'm not playing to their standards.

Yes then if someone is a jackass to you, then report them, seriously do it. I hate people who would talk trash like that too, I also even told people not to. Only difference between 1-2click dps, decent dps and top dps is:
super slow run
not so slow
super fast runs
I'm all okay for those dungeon runs, because keep in mind some people are new as well on the super slow runs as well. But when I KNOW people dont click their buttons often,thats an issue. But you don't and I trust you on that. So if people talk bad, then report them.

[LaylaTsarra]

Nobody asked for a parser for your dungeon runs

You must not have read this thread very carefully then. There are numerous comments where users complain about having to be forced to carry people in so call face roll content like Expert Roulette and the like and that kicking those players should be an option. I do think the demands may have mellowed somewhat as the thread discussion has continued but to say that group parsers aren't wanted everywhere by a number in this thread simply isn't true.

Those who don't want parsers must suck and so on are typical comments by a number here who question the motivations of those who don't want to see numbers in general content.

Let me also suggest that the personal parser approach is probably the best you'll get out of the Development Team in Final Fantasy. Numerical values that can be used by those interested by running to an online website to see where they stand in the overall scheme of things would most likely be acceptable to most. Also the idea of enabling an in game parser for Savage only would probably meet with little opposition given that population of players is extremely motivated to do the hardest tier content and would welcome that convenience in venues like that.

[Seraphix2407]

You must not have read this thread very carefully then. There are numerous comments where users complain about having to be forced to carry people in so call face roll content like Expert Roulette

You have 4 people, tank, 2 dps and 1 healer. If 1 tank does 600-800, healer does 600- 1 dps does 1.400 and last dps does 300. Who got carried?

[LaylaTsarra]

You have 4 people, tank, 2 dps and 1 healer. If 1 tank does 600-800, healer does 600- 1 dps does 1.400 and last dps does 300. Who got carried?

So how many times have you presented this argument in this thread already? You've more than made your views known. Stop already please. I've run 5,074 instanced dungeons on my main alone without a parser. Your pushing of this gets really old. I haven't needed one, don't want one, and don't buy this argument. I'm not opposed to a personal parser and have made my views known on that issue but the last thing this game needs is people running around in general content with their parser open.

People stay out of threads like this because of people like you who will incessantly try and squash any dissent. And then we have those who make the snide comments that those who don't want one have to suck.