Would you like an in-game parser?

[LadyVal]

Really, you are denying people a useful tool, over the fear of that.

To be fair he did just say "no" as in he doesn't want one, not "no, eff you all who want one."

Check the picture I just posted. His term is ''fun'' How is it fun when few people in a group wanna do it half ass? How is it fun when we wipe at 66% enrage?
Then he calls people's idiots? No words how low people can go.

Was he in that group with you when that happened?

Seriously I get this is a passionate topic, but these responses to one new person claiming he doesn't want one because he doesn't want to be harassed by idiots in general via a parser... this is getting a little witch-hunty.

[Seraphix2407]

To be fair he did just say "no" as in he doesn't want one, not "no, eff you all who want one."
Seriously I get this is a passionate topic, but these responses to one new person claiming he doesn't want one because he doesn't want to be harassed by idiots in general via a parser... this is getting a little witch-hunty.

No he wasn't. He said he doesn't want people to harras him, but calling people idiots is fine? If I was telling that group the DPS was low, I would probably been one of those ''idiot's'' he talks about, no? I never told them they were bad, some one left on his own and I left right after, left me and my friend no peneality, because I wanted to help. In all honesty, I get you with your witch-hunt comment, but please, give me a good reason why it's fine to call people ''idiots'' because there are people willing to help others out, but they have no power, before people turn into idiots helping out, or people being offended by the slightest little thing.

He doesn't want people to harras him right? What about a large scale of the community doesn't want people to be lazy or give a damn? Respect goes both ways no? Or am I wrong?

I know I shouldn't posted that one comment, how should I put it.. immature. So I shouldn't have left it there, however, calling idiot's isn't excactly mature, especially saying he doesn't want people to harras him, but started of harrasing people. I take my blame, and I went a bit far there, he however. I'd love to see his own respons on the topic.

[LadyVal]

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He didn't single anyone out and implied that anyone, in general, who would harass him over having low numbers is an idiot. He didn't say anyone who ever comments on his DPS is an idiot. He said he doesn't want people nagging him that his DPS isn't optimal, and that those people would be idiots.

I've read this thread. You've had to defend yourself a lot. You've made some very valid and respectable points. But you're getting super defensive, over sensitive, and picking fights with the wrong people now. Calm down.

I wasn't actually referring to the player solely...

Remind me again where the witch hunt is?

And yet you chose to quote him and address him directly...? Either way, the way you two responded to his posts doesn't put either of you in a positive light and both sides could stand to not lump the other and make it a big "us" vs. "them" issue and I'm not responding to either of you further because you're obviously both worked up over this and with you, specifically, I refuse to cater to your thinly veiled passive-aggressiveness and eyelash batting.

[Seraphix2407]

He didn't single anyone out and implied that anyone, in general, who would harass him over having low numbers is an idiot. He didn't say anyone who ever comments on his DPS is an idiot. He said he doesn't want people nagging him that his DPS isn't optimal, and that those people would be idiots.

I've read this thread. You've had to defend yourself a lot. You've made some very valid and respectable points. But you're getting super defensive, over sensitive, and picking fights with the wrong people now. Calm down.

Thank you for your respons and I'm glad the way you respond. So let me respond you in the same way. I know he didn't single out anyone, I never posted my picture to point it at him. My picture and post was simply about what has been a large topic in this thread for almost 80 pages. I never said he could be one of those types of players, but when people say they can't have fun if someone tell they need to improve, it's just one of them silly arguements, on my honest opinion. Why did I post the picture? Because those people have fun in their own way, they want to do it for themselves and not include others in the party and look how well that went? Now, this doesn't happen often but it happens. There are reasons why it happens and it's been a on going topic throughout the thread:

People having fun in their own way
Refuse to take advices
Maybe they have no one to teach them and perhaps wants help? I don't know there are endless of ways and why they are like this.

As I've said before, no one doesn't care if his DPS isn't optimal in dungeons, if that was a thing you would seen it happen in many dungeons. Myself and other people parser dungeons, because we want to commend people who do a real good job. I can see who's trying hard and some aren't. That's why we commend right? To give the best player in group the commendation?

I'm not getting defensive and over sensetive as you state. If I was, I wouldn't even be here posting. Last time it happened, I got banned for 14 days. That gave me a lecture how to behave and this time it hasn't happened, so I'm well aware of what I'm saying or doing. Also I'm not picking up fights with him, but he has no valid reason to call people idiots. He didn't single anyone out or point at people with his fingers, he said idiot about those who tell him to do better because hes not optimal.

Now I don't know the guy, but I trust him doing his part well enough and that's more than enough. What if he isn't? Then he might need to improve and we all know how people can be when advices are handed out... they get offended. If he gets told and he know hes good enough he should report people for harrasing him. This is also why parser would be a good thing, if he knew he was good and people told him trash, he could simply defend him with it. There are people who doesn't use parsers, who call people bad and they have no proof they are better.

Many in this thread had good respons, on both sides. Sadly there are few in this thread who like to name call out people, if you seen my older post. There was a guy who are again'ts parsers calling me out and others, like piece of shit etc. And they say they don't want people to harras them with parsers. NO logic at all too be honest.

I was trying to be polite, but thanks for the picture, I've seen a few in this thread and the lack of posts showing parser harassment really paints a picture of the REAL problems in the game.

That's fine and I know you was. Problem is, I know myself and I can get extremely frustrated with some post in here but I try to be logical and stay on a low level so I can actually discuss and argue with people here, without calling them names. What I don't get is why people gets tagged with bad words and then they want to talk about them not getting respect from pro parsers. It honestly blows my mind, it really does. People expect respect but never give it out.

If I was a bad player and held people ''hostage'' I would leave. I like to respect people who wants to progress or do things on their own way. I would NEVER hold a group down because I simply can't do it good as them. It's unfair and selfish doing so. Respect comes both ways, not 1 way.

[Lambdafish]

If I was a bad player and held people ''hostage'' I would leave. I like to respect people who wants to progress or do things on their own way. I would NEVER hold a group down because I simply can't do it good as them. It's unfair and selfish doing so. Respect comes both ways, not 1 way.

The problem with that goes both ways... I had a healer in AV who left because they couldn't do the first boss, I really wanted to help them, and I enjoy helping players who actually try, I don't like lazy players who expect a carry.

Also to add to your point against Lady Val:

And yet you chose to quote him and address him directly...? Either way, the way you two responded to his posts doesn't put either of you in a positive light and both sides could stand to not lump the other and make it a big "us" vs. "them" issue and I'm not responding to either of you further because you're obviously both worked up over this and with you, specifically, I refuse to cater to your thinly veiled passive-aggressiveness and eyelash batting.

I explicitly said earlier that this wasn't an us vs. them issue, I categorised the reasons that players underperform -

I have been doing some thinking about this. Bad players tend to fit into 3 categories:
a) Bad players that are unaware that they are bad
b) Bad players that know they are bad but are struggling/don't know how to improve
c) Those who cannot be helped ("I pay my sub so I can play how I want even if it means wasting your time" or "The 'elitist' who is actually bad" etc.)

The context of the post was a complaint about the game system (and I regret using the word bad, because it seems insulting, underperforming is a better word) and how we can improve the systems to fix A and B, anyone who does not fit into this category is a perfectly competent player. Really, we are trying to help people, so being called out as being passive aggressive is odd to me

[Lambdafish]

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I was trying to be polite, but thanks for the picture, I've seen a few in this thread and the lack of posts showing parser harassment really paints a picture of the REAL problems in the game.

To be fair he did just say "no" as in he doesn't want one, not "no, eff you all who want one."

I wasn't actually referring to the player solely, rather the mentality that is being driven by the opinion as a whole (I tried to be as polite as possible). This isn't about witch hunts, in fact the opposite, and your reaction towards Seaphix is really confusing. Her entire point is not directed at the player, but rather providing proof of the countless points and rebuttals that we have been providing for 80 pages. This thread has actually been very reasonable for one that has lasted this far and the group that "will use a parser for harassment" has simply tried to prove it's points with evidence and solutions with the attempt to provide ways to make the game better and more accessible for those willing to try.

Remind me again where the witch hunt is?

[KarstenS]

this is getting a little witch-hunty.

Hm.

Tanks get booted when they don't do their job and the content doesn't get finished. Everybody does see, who is the one.

Healers get bootet when the party constantly dies because of not enough healing and the content gets not finished. Here too, everybody does see who is the one.

When missing damage is the reason to not clear the content like in the example 66% enrage in A8 story mode, it is a which hunt when people want to know who is causing this issue?

My answer: There should be equal rights for all 3 roles. This would be fair to everybody else.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Healers get bootet when the party constantly dies because of not enough healing and the content gets not finished. Here too, everybody does see who is the one.

When missing damage is the reason to not clear the content like in the example 66% enrage in A8 story mode, it is a which hunt when people want to know who is causing this issue?

Healers are booted daily from all content for not DPSing, even when the content is extremely difficult. In addition, tanks and healers are more often blamed for failing content due to DPS checks than the actual DPS. Until the healer DPS meta is dealt with, DPS will never be considered a target for low DPS related problems.

At least, that's the way it is on my data center.

Edit #2: Brute Justice being at 66% on enrage is just as much a fault of the tanks as it is the DPS. There's no reason to have such a depressing enrage unless both tanks are in tank stance 24/7 and all 4 DPS are terrible.

[Launched]

Edit #2: Brute Justice being at 66% on enrage is just as much a fault of the tanks as it is the DPS. There's no reason to have such a depressing enrage unless both tanks are in tank stance 24/7 and all 4 DPS are terrible.

What if most of that DPS did come from the tanks and healers? Even a tank in tank stance can beat a bunch of the bad DPS players I see often enough. You can't say it's as much the tank's fault without a parser to show proof.

[Seraphix2407]

Healers are booted daily from all content for not DPSing

Wow, this post. No words.