Would you like an in-game parser?

[Jynx]

While it isn't primarily about the use of a parser it does touch on the issue quite well and shows what the likely scenario would be which is overall apathy from the general playerbase, granted this was done in World of Warcraft which allows the use of add-ons and by extension parsing programs..

All this video shows us is that Parsers wont effect the game in the way some people in this thread paint it, either negative or positive.

The bad players wont want to do better just because there are numbers on screen, the good ones don't need these numbers outside the most recent content and anyone doing that content most likely already uses a parser or has someone running one for them making it moot. The only people who are effected are those who don't understand how to use parsers, alienating them and causing confusion the numbers provided by a parser aren't just "Bigger is better" making it easy for people who don't understand that to mistakenly attack other players or think they are actually doing poorly when they are doing fine.

I think parsers are a fine tool but those who need them already have them I think it's redundant to want to force it on everyone.

[Reynhart]

When you just want entertainment without eny effort, playing a game is not the right thing for you. You should sit back and watch only, like in the quiz show example above.

So, playing a video game is not for those who just want entertainement ?!
Do you realize what nonsense this is ?

Make the parsers standars for extremes/raids/high end content where dps checks are issue.

Yes, make parsers who could feel like you're judged standard in the only content where people would take the time to judge you...That's still the same issue.
No one would ever call out on your DPS in extreme dungeons, hard mode trials or 24-man raid...

[Seraphix2407]

So, playing a video game is not for those who just want entertainement ?!
Do you realize what nonsense this is ?

Yes, make parsers who could feel like you're judged standard in the only content where people would take the time to judge you...That's still the same issue.
No one would ever call out on your DPS in extreme dungeons, hard mode trials or 24-man raid...

I don't follow, sorry? You talk about having parsers in extremes/raids a bad thing as well?
Because in this content dps actually matters and well if you can't do enough and I talk about knowing atleast what you are doing, that should be more than enough. If people can't fix their shit in there, they have to somewhat practice more or even know more about their class.

[Lambdafish]

I think parsers are a fine tool but those who need them already have them I think it's redundant to want to force it on everyone.

While I do agree to some extent, there is one key variable that flips this entirely on it's head when comparing it to WoW (or 99% of MMOs for that matter). WoW is PC exclusive, which means that 100% of the playerbase has access to a parser if they really wanted to, whereas XIV is across the PS3 and PS4 where those players literally have no access to such a tool, putting them at a "disadvantage" to PC players if they ever wanted or needed to use a parser. People could cite FFXI as a game that didnt have or need parsers/addon support, but this game is far more akin to WoW in it's combat style and requirements than XI, and therefore we need to compare this as WoW if it had a console port that couldn't have a parser, which puts holes in your arguement.

Also offhand: we got more details on raid finder today, the practice section seems like it would be a great place for an opt in global parser to test damage outputs for specific phases. Doesn't help with Ex primals, but it would be a start. If it worked like this: 1) you can only practice phases that you have reached. 2) You can set requirements so that people can only join who have beaten X phase, either in practice or progression.What this would mean is that in order to join said group you should use practice (and the help of the global parser) to improve yourself and your team in order to prove to progression groups that you can beat the content, to me this (in conjunction with SSS) would be the perfect way to run this system at it's absolute strictest.

[Reynhart]

I don't follow, sorry? You talk about having parsers in extremes/raids a bad thing as well?

I talk about forcing parsers on others as a bad thing. If everyone in a party want it, fine, use it. But if someone doesn't want, then he still have the right to do so...without being called lazy or "almost certainly bad".
Like you can ask if you can parse anyone without being called an asshole.

XIV is across the PS3 and PS4 where those players literally have no access to such a tool, putting them at a "disadvantage" to PC players if they ever wanted or needed to use a parser.

Technically, just being on PS3 is considered a disadvantage by some, simply with longer loading times. And you already see people asking to shutdown this playerbase entirely.

[Seraphix2407]

I talk about forcing parsers on others as a bad thing. If everyone in a party want it, fine, use it. But if someone doesn't want, then he still have the right to do so...without being called lazy or "almost certainly bad".
Like you can ask if you can parse anyone without being called an asshole.

Well true, but if people somewhat finds out this guy doesn't pull his weight, he shouldn't be there in the first place no?. Don't get me wrong, everyone has a chance, but if he/she is the person who doesn't pull their weight, that's a problem as well. If hes decent, he stays and that's totally fine. If he undeperform under the % he should do, then he should fix it. That's my honest opinion.

[Reynhart]

Well true, but if people somewhat finds out this guy doesn't pull his weight, he shouldn't be there in the first place no?. Don't get me wrong, everyone has a chance, but if he/she is the person who doesn't pull their weight, that's a problem as well. If hes decent, he stays and that's totally fine. If he undeperform under the % he should do, then he should fix it. That's my honest opinion.

Yes, it's true. Like I said in my previous example, if I did SSS and if I already won before, then there is no reason for you to parse me if I don't want to. Maybe I'm not up to your standards, but I am for the content standards, and that's enough.
But people tend to be more strict than the game itself, and that's my issue. Like asking for a relic to invite for Titan hard mode...

[Lambdafish]

Technically, just being on PS3 is considered a disadvantage by some, simply with longer loading times. And you already see people asking to shutdown this playerbase entirely.

Well yeah, thats why I didn't want to discount them from the argument completely, though the problem lies when we are thinking more about the PS4 players, the primary console players. Either way, it's irrelevant to the arguement

[Reynhart]

Well yeah, thats why I didn't want to discount them from the argument completely, though the problem lies when we are thinking more about the PS4 players, the primary console players.

It's still only a problem if you consider that a parser is needed, which I don't.

[Seraphix2407]

Yes, it's true. Like I said in my previous example, if I did SSS and if I already won before, then there is no reason for you to parse me if I don't want to. Maybe I'm not up to your standards, but I am for the content standards, and that's enough.
But people tend to be more strict than the game itself, and that's my issue. Like asking for a relic to invite for Titan hard mode...

Now if you beat the content before means you have done good enough to do it. Maybe not the best or maybe being the top dps, it's either and it's fine you don't want to be parsed. It means you have dps and knowledge of fight. But there can be scenarios people have beat content but been dead weight, meaning they are doing so low they are pretty much carried. Many people can beat an SSS on a rotation for 3 min, doesn't mean they will pull good dps in the fight.

It's still only a problem if you consider that a parser is needed, which I don't.

It's not needed but it can also see who is leeching or need improvements, which a lot of people can't see. I highly doubt even you can see a who in the group under perform.

Like you mentioned thordan. Most core midicore/hardcore groups pushed him to 67-70% before next phase, while most saw the buster at 75-80%. You could never tell in a group like that who did bad or not. A guy could be doing 40% more of a guys dps. What if some one blamed him and they had no proof of it? Parsers could defend people from making that happening.